Dog vs. cat vs. cops

[carmichaelb]

While I don't care for cats, it was the shooters property (cat & porch) I would be pissed if someone shot my dog but it was on her property and uncontrolled. As far as discharging a fire arm I had a bother in law who was fined for shooting two dogs that attacked my sister and nephew. They were left with bites and scratches that were shown in court and the city still fined him.

 

[Brad_Blazer]

"The homeowner ran into the house and came out with her legally owned pistol and killed the pit bull with one shot,"

It sounds like the homeowner was competent with her gun. Also, she was quite likely taller than the dog and at close range the shot would be at a strong downward angle. The risk of a stray shot or ricochet would be very small and significantly to this story it didn't happen.

 

[RoyJackson]

The negativity is easy to explain, just look at the daily body count. What do you expect? People are going to associate guns with violence and death, why wouldn't they?
Dave.

Like I'd written earlier...this is a typical leftwing anti-rights reaction. Schools, for example...draw a picture...a picture!!! of a gun might get a kid suspended or expelled. At minimum, a kid would be sent to the principal's office. How stupid is that? And what does the kid equate firearms to after an episode such as being humiliated in school in front of his or her peers.
Anyway, Dave...you're taking a post about a lady who tried to defend her pet into an anti-rights anti-firearm crusade. This is not the forum for this kind of thing.
You want to discuss this particular incident, no problem, but I'm not going to continue this foolishness you started. All it will end up doing is getting this thread closed.

 

[k0ua]

I had a similar situation happen several years ago, I came home one beautiful afternoon and let my 2 cats out to play in the back yard. I lived many miles outside of any city. Soon I heard a cat screaming. I raised out my chair and saw 2 very large dogs, one on each end of my gray cat trying to pull him apart. I grabbed a .38 revolver I kept by by living room chair, and ran out side, one dog backed off a couple of feet but the other was busy crushing little Jerrys ribcage. I then kicked the dog hard with my foot, and he turned on me and showed his teeth. I then shot him instantly with 4 rounds from the .38 in less than a second. The other dog hesitated for a second but continued to back off so I let him go. I got the joy of watching my little pet of 10 years suffocate in my hands, from a crushed ribcage/lungs. The other cat was 30 foot up a tree this whole time and came down after 3 hours. I called the Sheriff, who came, took my statement, and searched for the owner. The owner, a neighbor was found, came and retrieved his dog, and paid me a sum of money for the loss of the cat. The sheriff said I was fully justified in the use of deadly force on the dog. The neighbor said he was sorry, and so did I. There were no winners in this encounter, It was a sad thing all around. As for "gun culture" whatever that means, I guess I have used and carried guns all my life. They are just a tool, and will do nothing without a person to operate them, and that fact that are just a lump of high grade steel seems lost on some people who try to give them a "life" of their own.

James K0UA

 

[Gator6x4]

I think the firearm thing can be summed up as follows: “One who is not capable of recognizing the consequences of his actions is an idiot”. Idiots should be locked up and not allowed near anything that can/could be used as a weapon to injure kill or maim others. Society cannot legislate away stupidity or ignorance regardless of how many items they ban or prohibit ownership of.

 

[JDgreen227]

I had a similar situation happen several years ago, I came home one beautiful afternoon and let my 2 cats out to play in the back yard. I lived many miles outside of any city. Soon I heard a cat screaming. I raised out my chair and saw 2 very large dogs, one on each end of my gray cat trying to pull him apart. I grabbed a .38 revolver I kept by by living room chair, and ran out side, one dog backed off a couple of feet but the other was busy crushing little Jerrys ribcage. I then kicked the dog hard with my foot, and he turned on me and showed his teeth. I then shot him instantly with 4 rounds from the .38 in less than a second. The other dog hesitated for a second but continued to back off so I let him go. I got the joy of watching my little pet of 10 years suffocate in my hands, from a crushed ribcage/lungs. The other cat was 30 foot up a tree this whole time and came down after 3 hours. I called the Sheriff, who came, took my statement, and searched for the owner. The owner, a neighbor was found, came and retrieved his dog, and paid me a sum of money for the loss of the cat. The sheriff said I was fully justified in the use of deadly force on the dog. The neighbor said he was sorry, and so did I. There were no winners in this encounter, It was a sad thing all around. As for "gun culture" whatever that means, I guess I have used and carried guns all my life. They are just a tool, and will do nothing without a person to operate them, and that fact that are just a lump of high grade steel seems lost on some people who try to give them a "life" of their own.

James K0UA

OP here, I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your beloved Jerry, and it saddens me he was killed because some a******* dog owner let his pets run loose. I also say GOOD FOR YOU for killing the dog and believe me, I never would have let the second one escape, he would have been DEAD too, and the sheriff was 100% correct. People say sometimes, "well you cannot use deadly force to protect property" well THEY ARE FRICKING WRONG. My cats are FAMILY to us, and no amount of money could compensate me for the loss of any of them. Sure your a****** neighbor was sorry, yeah, that makes it all okay I guess. Why were his dogs running loose in the first place?

 

[k0ua]

Yes I get a little sad many years later when I think about the incident. In the neighbors behalf, he said the dogs broke some kind of gate or latch to get free, and he took the whole incident extremely well, and he was very sad for what happened for all concerned. The one I shot was some kind of greyhound mix, so by breed, it would want to chase little furry animals. As for the second dog, it was no longer a threat to me or the cats, as Jerry was dying, and the female was still 30 foot up a tree, So I let it run away. The second cat Noodles was never quite the same after that, she hid under the bed for a month, and we had to coax her out to eat, and drink, and she used to follow us along side when we went on walks all the time down to the creek across an open field, She would never do that again. The only way to get her there was to carry her across the open field. Once at the tree lined creek she would play, but never again would she be caught out in the open. I would not have believed that cats would think that way, but after owning some (wifey brought them into our lives I would never have gotten one) I have discovered that they do "think" and "reason" and have feelings. I know as a former cat hater that this will fall on deaf ears for some, but it is true nonetheless.

James K0UA

 

[JB4310]

The negativity is easy to explain, just look at the daily body count. What do you expect? People are going to associate guns with violence and death, why wouldn't they?
Dave.

I respect your position, as this has become a civil debate I will add that only non gun owners would associate guns with violence and death. Legal law abiding gun owners like you would find on a site like this, associate guns with defense of their life and liberties.

I'm a certified gun nut, but I detest violence, more of a pacifist, I would run from a confrontation if it just involved myself. But would hope to stand up for an innocent third party person or family member threatened with bodily harm, and unable to defend themselves.

I don't believe in deadly physical force in the defence of property in Most cases. But a cat is not property IMO it is a slightly higher class than just property, being a living creature and should be defended at any cost to what ever is attacking it.

Now if it were a person attacking the cat, that would get into a sketchy area of if it would be justifiable to use deadly force.

BTW our cat just cost me $286. at the vet today for an annual check up :confused2:

Almost wish I had some loose pit bulls in my neighborhood

JB

 

[RoyJackson]

BTW our cat just cost me $286. at the vet today for an annual check up

JB

$286!!!!
Do you realize how many boxes of ammo that would have bought???

Seriously, our old pup, Jule (half pit-bull, half rottie) was just about 11 years old when she developed mast cell cancer. We had her operated on twice in 2010...including all the vet visits as well as the surgery, it was between $5000-$6000. All for a mutt that cost us 25 bucks...

 

[YesDeere]

I'll bet you didn't hesitate either Roy. My 7 year old lab cost me 2 g's last winter. I know I didn't even think about it.