Global Warming?

[EE_Bota]

So, my being a vegetarian helps 54 other people get a unit of protein each time I don't eat meat?

If you eat grass fed ruminants, you ate an animal that ate what humans cannot eat. Pork, on the other hand, competes directly with humans.

 

[Short Game]

A One-Size-Fits-All system is not going to be an easy sell. We need to find the non-system which the most can live with peacefully. What other chance have we, considering the fix we are in, globally? Those whom are so dedicated to their systems, as to war for them, may insure a nearly complete failure of our, and with us, many another species. I will hope and trust a younger generation to achieve the proper rationality, as my own has shown such tendency toward failure on a massive scale.

 

[EE_Bota]

You got it.:thumbsup: Pop also makes us, as a civilization, more sensitive to climate change. ... and nearly every other change. It feeds the supply, demand, profit cycle tho ... so slowing human procreation will "hurt" a bunch.
...Rationality is so uncommon.
larry

Rationality comes in many forms. One form would say that human population will be controlled in the same manner that population is controlled in other species; typically disease and starvation. That would make overpopulation brought out in the context of global warming seem arbitrary and directed.

 

[Short Game]

If you eat grass fed ruminants, you ate an animal that ate what humans cannot eat. Pork, on the other hand, competes directly with humans.

After a few years of not eating the main ruminant my culture offers, I could no longer eat them without a couple of hours of being violently ill, in a manner very reminiscent of food poisoning. Could be my body was sending me a message. Pork, on the other hand, didn't do this. It does, however, give me very unsettling dreams, and so, I avoid that too. The difference is, if someone puts a little bacon in the beans, I don't get sick. If a beef bone went into the soup, I do get sick.

 

[Rob-D]

Good catch. Originally, I was referring to his "time" terms becoming squared. I gave up before the gas energy density issue. Units are so important that once I find them wrong, I wonder on off since if someone says there are "twelve" I always have to know "twelve what?"

I'll be more careful in the future but I imagine I'm not the only one here who has an eraser on his pencil! I'll bet yours is not without wear.

Rob

 

[EE_Bota]

After a few years of not eating the main ruminant my culture offers, I could no longer eat them without a couple of hours of being violently ill, in a manner very reminiscent of food poisoning. Could be my body was sending me a message. Pork, on the other hand, didn't do this. It does, however, give me very unsettling dreams, and so, I avoid that too. The difference is, if someone puts a little bacon in the beans, I don't get sick. If a beef bone went into the soup, I do get sick.

That's very unusual. I am not sure what is at the heart of that reaction. Does it tend to happen even with very small portions? Are both cooked "well?"

I am an engineer now, but I started out interested in pork production as a kid, but in Animal Science, I became more interested in cattle because of their rumen. I believe that cattle are a blessing to humans, and far more helpful overall than simple stomach creatures.

 

[Rob-D]

Rationality comes in many forms. One form would say that human population will be controlled in the same manner that population is controlled in other species; typically disease and starvation. That would make overpopulation brought out in the context of global warming seem arbitrary and directed.

I think there's another aspect to it, man's destructiveness driven by his greed will very likely destroy ALL other species too.

Again GW isn't the issue it's pollution and environmental destruction. It's easy to shed doubt on GW and to associate that doubt with an unrealistic fear. The problem is that this planet is in real trouble, the "don't worry, their just alarmists and tree huggers" view is a clever way to lull people into a false perception of the problems big oil, gas and coal want people think are not real.

When will we run out of energy?

No one has that answer, shouldn't we be thinking about a solution to our energy problems that don't rely on consumables? Who doesn't want us to think about renewables?

Rob

 

[Rob-D]

That's very unusual. I am not sure what is at the heart of that reaction. Does it tend to happen even with very small portions? Are both cooked "well?"

I am an engineer now, but I started out interested in pork production as a kid, but in Animal Science, I became more interested in cattle because of their rumen. I believe that cattle are a blessing to humans, and far more helpful overall than simple stomach creatures.

Humans are not a blessing to cattle though!

 

[Short Game]

That's very unusual. I am not sure what is at the heart of that reaction. Does it tend to happen even with very small portions? Are both cooked "well?"

Yes, beef, even in small portions, has done this. Yes, even in stews and soups that were cooked for long periods did I experience this. I have gotten to where I could eat beef again by starting out with very small portions and working slowly back into it, but then by simply not having any beef for a while, I found again that it made me sick. "Why eat such a thing," is what I asked myself. So, like building an immunity to any poison, I could again eat it. But, would I want to?

I am also dairy intolerant. It took me many decades to finally quit cheese, though I was fairly sure I should. The idea of no more pizza for life was very hard to accept. However, when I finally did, the eczema on my leg finally disappeared.

People joke about my dietary habits, saying that I "don't eat anything that has ingredients."

 

[newbury]

When will we run out of energy?

What's this "we" stuff Kemosabe?

I and many others have taken steps to ensure that we and those dear to us will have water, energy, sunlight, medicine, the tools to exploit and the tools to defend us for decades, if not generations to come.

If the world goes to hades in a handbasket it will probably curtail my use of TBN, but we will still be able to get up in the morning to live another day. As things get "tighter" we'll stock up more on supplies that might be needed.

Global warming interests me because of what I perceive the increased need I will have for defenses against hordes of people "migrating" due to rising sea level, dust bowls, increased storm activity.

It's how people can deny scientific evidence because it does not fit what they want. It's how politicians can suppress science for years because the results might impact their big donors.

I worked for years with a group of people that STAUNCHLY rejected the concept of global warming (regardless of cause), and every time the weather was a little cool they were sure to comment. And they KNEW this because someone said so.

They were also people that KNEW ****** had weapons of mass destruction and financed Al-Quadea, because someone said so.

These people liked buying houses bigger than they needed far from work (and properties to flip) because home prices were ALWAYS going to go up, because someone said so.

These people bought nice shiny humongous SUV's for their 100 mile daily commute because they were promised gas prices would be low, because someone said so.

I stuck by my mantra "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without".

So this "we run out of energy" to me means when the unthinking, lemming-like vast public all of a sudden realizes that they didn't plan ahead and they can't afford gas for their 120 mile daily commute because China will pay more for it.
And the someone who said it wasn't going to be that way has walked away.

If you've noticed the US is EXPORTING oil.

The U.S. exported more oil-based fuels than it imported in the first nine months of this year, making it likely that 2011 will be the first time since 1949 that the nation is a net exporter of such goods, primarily diesel.

Oil boomlet sweeps U.S. as exports rise ? USATODAY.com

Has it lowered our price at the pump?

What's going to happen to the Amish when the "we runs out of energy"?

Somebody is going to have to go knock on their door and tell them because they might not notice.

From another thread:

A few years ago I had friend in PA., After a paticularly bad storm that caused power outages and trees down he was checking his neighbors. Most everyone said it was pretty bad and were waiting for help. Water, fuel oil, etc... When he got to his Amish neighbor the man and his family didn't even know there had been a storm causing massive damage and outages.