Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!!

[fordmantpw]

Just gets old. Ford would have taken the same deal if they hadn't already borrowed billions in bank loans.

Possibly, but the point is, Ford had the forethought to actually see that they were in horrible shape, mortgage the company (even the Blue Oval as the story goes), and do things the hard way! GM took handouts to prop them up, and will never pay back many billions of the money that was given to them. Does that not give them a competitive advantage? Sure it does, but Ford is still doing better (financially, and by building better cars), even without that free money. The talk of GM taking the bailout will not stop until GM actually pays back the money that they still owe me (and you, and your neighbor...). The fact that GM is making profits and not paying that money back is a sticking point for many hard-working Americans.

And don't start in about the loans that Ford took. Yes, Ford took loans from the govt to build fuel efficient vehicles. LOANS! You know, those things when you borrow money, then actually pay it back with interest!

 

[Diamondpilot]

Possibly, but the point is, Ford had the forethought to actually see that they were in horrible shape, mortgage the company (even the Blue Oval as the story goes), and do things the hard way! GM took handouts to prop them up, and will never pay back many billions of the money that was given to them. Does that not give them a competitive advantage? Sure it does, but Ford is still doing better (financially, and by building better cars), even without that free money. The talk of GM taking the bailout will not stop until GM actually pays back the money that they still owe me (and you, and your neighbor...). The fact that GM is making profits and not paying that money back is a sticking point for many hard-working Americans.

And don't start in about the loans that Ford took. Yes, Ford took loans from the govt to build fuel efficient vehicles. LOANS! You know, those things when you borrow money, then actually pay it back with interest!

And for these reasons I know life long GM and Dodge boys who gave up on them and are now REWARDING Ford for doing it right buying their products.

I have not bought a new vehicle since 2005 since mine are so reliable, Ford Nissan and BMW. My next one and the ones to follow wilk be Ford or Foreign.

Chris

 

[mikehaugen]

Possibly, but the point is, Ford had the forethought to actually see that they were in horrible shape, mortgage the company (even the Blue Oval as the story goes), and do things the hard way! GM took handouts to prop them up, and will never pay back many billions of the money that was given to them. Does that not give them a competitive advantage? Sure it does, but Ford is still doing better (financially, and by building better cars), even without that free money. The talk of GM taking the bailout will not stop until GM actually pays back the money that they still owe me (and you, and your neighbor...). The fact that GM is making profits and not paying that money back is a sticking point for many hard-working Americans.

And don't start in about the loans that Ford took. Yes, Ford took loans from the govt to build fuel efficient vehicles. LOANS! You know, those things when you borrow money, then actually pay it back with interest!

Technically, they did pay back most, if not all of the "loan." Now they just need to double their stock price to make things even, and boycotting them sure won't help them do that. That is the reason ford may seem to be in better shape, because they escaped the negative publicity to buyers who don't understand or care to really understand the situation. I don't truly understand it either, but know enough to understand that I don't know.

I am not in a situation to buy a new truck, but if I were and I were considering gm, I would do a h*** of a lot more research to understand everything about this before letting it persuade me one way or another... and before advertising half-truths and other misinformation to the world.

By the way fordmantpw, this is not directed at you, this just goes with the comment about being tired of hearing about this.

All other things aside, why hold it against gm anyway? They asked for money and the government gave it to them. If anything be pissed at the government if you feel it was an unwise decision. People keep saying how poorly gm managed their money before the bailout, but it is not something that happened overnight and a lot of these same people that were buying gm up until the bailout. It was such a poorly managed company, but yet they were buying their vehicles right up to the terrible "bailout." Now they want to play internet economist, and say how terrible they were to get into that position.

 

[fordmantpw]

Technically, they did pay back most, if not all of the "loan." Now they just need to double their stock price to make things even, and boycotting them sure won't help them do that. That is the reason ford may seem to be in better shape, because they escaped the negative publicity to buyers who don't understand or care to really understand the situation. I don't truly understand it either, but know enough to understand that I don't know.

I am not in a situation to buy a new truck, but if I were and I were considering gm, I would do a h*** of a lot more research to understand everything about this before letting it persuade me one way or another... and before advertising half-truths and other misinformation to the world.

By the way fordmantpw, this is not directed at you, this just goes with the comment about being tired of hearing about this.

All other things aside, why hold it against gm anyway? They asked for money and the government gave it to them. If anything be pissed at the government if you feel it was an unwise decision. People keep saying how poorly gm managed their money before the bailout, but it is not something that happened overnight and a lot of these same people that were buying gm up until the bailout. It was such a poorly managed company, but yet they were buying their vehicles right up to the terrible "bailout." Now they want to play internet economist, and say how terrible they were to get into that position.

To an extent, I agree about being upset with the govt. for doing it. But, the thing is, GM was, and STILL IS a poorly run company. Look at what they have done with the money that was given to them. How have they restructured their business? How have they cut out the fat be leaner and better and produce better products? They haven't, and if things were to turn south again, they would be in the same position. They have not right-sized their business to enable them to handle it when life throws them lemons.

Take the '14 Silverado for instance. All of the adds on TV are touting how much better the fuel economy is than the Ford EcoBoost. The Silverado is rated at 16/23 and the Ford is 16/22. The Ford has 20 more HP and 37 more ft-lbs of torque, and is rated to tow more weight! So, congrats to GM for almost catching a 3 year old truck with their latest, greatest, most technologically advanced truck ever! For the kind of money the company was given, GM should really be raising the bar and blowing all the other makes out of the water. They haven't, and frankly, I'm not impressed. About all GM is going to do with this truck is keep GM faithful from jumping ship. I don't see them picking up additional sales.

Let me add that I am not a GM basher. I want them to succeed, I really do. Not only because I want to see American companies do well and clean up in car sales, but because the better GM makes their products, the better my next Ford will be.

 

[Peacock]

To an extent, I agree about being upset with the govt. for doing it. But, the thing is, GM was, and STILL IS a poorly run company. Look at what they have done with the money that was given to them. How have they restructured their business? How have they cut out the fat be leaner and better and produce better products? They haven't..

Really? They shed Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer.

They are very competitive in most markets. Cadillac is very strong right. So is Buick.

Where is Lincoln?

 

[fordmantpw]

Really? They shed Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer.

They are very competitive in most markets. Cadillac is very strong right. So is Buick.

Where is Lincoln?

Sure, they shed Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer. They were leeches and had to go. What is Buick doing besides keeping Chevy from becoming a decent car. How much "good stuff" do Chevy cars miss out on to keep them from infringing on Buick territory? Buick has a place in China, that I get, but why keep it around in the US? What is the purpose of GMC?

Don't get me started on Caddy. How much money has GM poured into Caddy over the years, to not see any returns? For the billions of $$$ they have spent, then have not gotten a single penny in return.

Right now, Lincoln is behind Caddy in sales, sure. But, Ford is working to slowly bring it back, AS THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON IT! The Ford brand is the bread winner, not Lincoln. Ford gets that, and realizes that Lincoln profits will be icing on the cake. GM thought that they could spend fortunes on Caddy, produce "BMW Fighters" and makes tons of money. It hasn't worked that way. Sure, Caddy makes great cars, but for the prohibitively expensive platforms they are built on, they darn well better! Problem is, Caddy doesn't sell enough vehicles to pay off the platforms.

I will say that one great thing GM did was getting rid of Bob Lutz!

 

[mikehaugen]

I am in no way a gm lover either, I liked them up until about '04 or so, but don't know much about the newer ones. I have owned dodge trucks, and so did my dad. I am satisfied with the service they have given and I am familiar with them so saw no need to change, though with all of the company changing from chrysler last decade I don't really trust them like I used to either. I can't afford new and I am not real impressed with the hemi so for the year range I have been looking at (05-07ish) the 6.0 seemed to be the best gas offering (can't afford diesel either or it would be cummins without a doubt). I did actually consider a 6.0 ford diesel and take my chances because they are so cheap.

The point is, I am not even in the market for a post-bailout truck but do get tired of hearing about it.

 

[mikehaugen]

Really? They shed Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer.

They are very competitive in most markets. Cadillac is very strong right. So is Buick.

Where is Lincoln?

They also closed around half of the dealers around me.

 

[Peacock]

Sure, they shed Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer. They were leeches and had to go. What is Buick doing besides keeping Chevy from becoming a decent car. How much "good stuff" do Chevy cars miss out on to keep them from infringing on Buick territory? Buick has a place in China, that I get, but why keep it around in the US? What is the purpose of GMC? Don't get me started on Caddy. How much money has GM poured into Caddy over the years, to not see any returns? For the billions of $$$ they have spent, then have not gotten a single penny in return. Right now, Lincoln is behind Caddy in sales, sure. But, Ford is working to slowly bring it back, AS THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON IT! The Ford brand is the bread winner, not Lincoln. Ford gets that, and realizes that Lincoln profits will be icing on the cake. GM thought that they could spend fortunes on Caddy, produce "BMW Fighters" and makes tons of money. It hasn't worked that way. Sure, Caddy makes great cars, but for the prohibitively expensive platforms they are built on, they darn well better! Problem is, Caddy doesn't sell enough vehicles to pay off the platforms. I will say that one great thing GM did was getting rid of Bob Lutz!

The money is being spent to develop new product.

Buick competes with the likes of Acura. They sell in decent numbers also.

Despite the Chevy car line being so terrible, it has done pretty well with the Cruze, Impala, Equinox and the Camaro that nearly always outsells the Mustang.

Ford comes up with excuse after excuse as to why Lincoln doesn't sell. What's next? How long has it been since they built a competitive car that sold in volume at all?

Caddy is similar in sales. Only more and atleast the cars are competitive. They are also nearly all new.

 

[mikehaugen]

Cadillac cars are pretty decent, they just can't compete with BMW even if they had an equal or superior car because most people buying BMWs want the name, and also because of the bad gm publicity.