F250 6.2 V8 vs F150 Ecoboost

ruffdog · Dec 8, 2013

The neighbor has both the v10 and a '12 EB. The EB does NOT have the engine braking that a v8 or v10 has.

johnk · Dec 8, 2013

I have a 2009 F350 V-10 and I love it. I have 410 gears and a supercab. I don't put a lot of miles on and I average about 11 MPG all around which is great for the weight of the truck. If I drove 15K a year I would look for something with better fuel milage.

sld · Dec 8, 2013

The 3V V10 combined with the torqshift tranny might be the best gas powertrain for towing ever made.

I love my 07.

94BULLITT · Dec 8, 2013

sld said:
The 3V V10 combined with the torqshift tranny might be the best gas powertrain for towing ever made.

I love my 07.

Banks held the record for the fastest Class RV for a while. It had a V10 in it.

PoorPlowboy · Dec 8, 2013

94BULLITT said:
If you are going to wait a year the 2015 F150 should be out. Hard to tell what it might be.

The thing that sucks about a gas F250 is you don't gain much towing capacity over a Ecoboost F150.

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Oh yes you do. 22k GCWR and 12.5k conventional (bumper) towing is a huge leap from the EB.

2014 Ford SuperDuty | View Full Specification Library | Ford.com

PoorPlowboy · Dec 8, 2013

moship said:
Took the liberty to look at the 2014 Ford Towing Specifications. Below are the maximum capacities possible with the configurations shown below. Please note these are maximums and are heavily dependent on cab style, wheelbase, 4x2 vs 4x4, gear ratio, etc. (One must really be careful how the truck is configured with the F150 to achieve these values)

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Link to F150 Specifications: 2014 Ford F-150 | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com

The newer F150 with the "Heavy Duty Payload Package" seems to be very capable from "Fords" perspective.

F150 ecoboost is limited to 11,300 on the fifth wheel with both the max tow and max trailer packages required. The F250 6.2 is at 16,000 on a fifth wheel. Almost 2.5 tons difference.

94BULLITT · Dec 8, 2013

PoorPlowboy said:
Oh yes you do. 22k GCWR and 12.5k conventional (bumper) towing is a huge leap from the EB.

2014 Ford SuperDuty | View Full Specification Library | Ford.com

You can tow 11,300 with a Ecoboost. You would be gaining 1200lbs with a F-250. Finding a Ecoboost on a lot equipped to tow 11,300 may be tough. I think Ford wants to sell a Ecoboost F-150 or a diesel Superduty.

ruffdog · Dec 8, 2013

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

PoorPlowboy · Dec 8, 2013

94BULLITT said:
You can tow 11,300 with a Ecoboost. You would be gaining 1200lbs with a F-250. Finding a Ecoboost on a lot equipped to tow 11,300 may be tough. I think Ford wants to sell a Ecoboost F-150 or a diesel Superduty.

Put a gooseneck in the F250 and tow 16000. 4700lbs.

Loadstar · Dec 9, 2013

You get a straight axle and two more cylinders with a superduty. Is this really a question?

jejeosborne · Dec 9, 2013

Maybe when it time for you to buy they will be putting the ecoboost in the f250 and you can have the best of both.

94BULLITT · Dec 9, 2013

PoorPlowboy said:
Put a gooseneck in the F250 and tow 16000. 4700lbs.

I guess that would be the best.

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deere5105 · Dec 9, 2013

Here are some numbers I found:
1) 2004 F150 5.4 V8 3.73 = 9200 lbs towing and GCWR 15,000 lbs
2) 2014 F150 Ecoboost 3.73 = 11200 lbs towing and GCWR 17,100 lbs
3) 2014 F250 6.2 V8 4.30 = 12,500 lbs towing bumper pull, 15,000 lbs towing gooseneck/5th wheel and GCWR 22,000 lbs

Anticipated max towing at 11,500 lbs. F150 curb weight approximately 5600 lbs. Looks like this would put the F150 at it's max and maybe a little over.

These numbers look about right?

TheGoose · Dec 9, 2013

You really ought to put the trailer/tractor combo on the scale and see EXACTLY how much weight you are REALLY towing. Not guessing.

deere5105 said:
My current tractor with heaviest single implement weighs around 9000 lbs. I use a 82" x 22' 12K bumper pull equipment trailer when I move it. Total combined weight of tractor, implement and trailer is approximately 11,500 lbs. I don't know the exact weight on the trailer but estimated 2500 lbs. I usually tow this set up three or four times each year approximately 30 miles to the hunting lease. My current daily driver and tow vehicle is a 2004 F150 with the 5.4 V8 and 3.73 gears. I am not currently in the market to buy, but like to plan ahead for major purchases. I have been torn over whether to consider a F250 for my next vehicle or stay with the F150. I typically keep a truck 10 years so want to make the right decision. I like the idea of the diesel, but see them as too much maintenance and cost. I currently get around 14-16 mpg with the average closer to 14 mpg. I think the F250 gas burner would be very close so mileage not a deal breaker. Curious to hear thoughts on this and why.

deere5105 · Dec 9, 2013

TheGoose said:
You really ought to put the trailer/tractor combo on the scale and see EXACTLY how much weight you are REALLY towing. Not guessing.

I get your point and have a set of scales at a nearby truck stop that would probably work. Next time I am loaded and have time will have to make a trip by and see. The numbers used are not estimates though. They are taken from the specifications lists. The only estimated weight is the trailer, but the 2500 lbs used was pulled from the specification sheet on a like trailer. Same 6" frame and 5' ramps and axles, etc..

deere5105 · Dec 9, 2013

Just filled up. 275 miles/21 gallons = 13.1 mpg. Mixed highway, city and brief run in the woods in 4wd due to road being slick. No spinning or mud riding/playing around. This is one reason I would consider the gas F250. Doesn't sound like it would be far off of where I am now!

vrmnthntr · Dec 10, 2013

I have a 12k pound trailer loaded similar to yours. When I bought my new tractor and trailer I had a Nissan Titan crew cab 4wd. It pulled fine. I was surprised how well it pick up speed and could cruise down the highway.

The biggest problem was slowing and stopping. I bought a 3/4 ton. Feels a lot safer now.

I don't tow much either maybe every other month about 60 miles round trip.

slowzuki · Dec 10, 2013

The F250/F350 srw currently are basically all the same components and have been for a long time. What you get different:

2 vs 4" lift block on the rear end 250/350
Different rate spring packs/coils depending on option codes, in some cases the diesel gets close to the max spring rate and there aren't any ++ options.
5.4 L has only 2 sidegears in the same 10.5" rear axle as it is putting less torque through diff. (this isn't always true, some 5.4's got the v-10/diesel carrier +side gears)
F250 has lighter+smaller tires and in some cases lighter duty rim options - but not always.
Bellhousing casting on transmission different.
Torque convertor specs different (obviously)

They have the same transmissions, transfer cases, driveshafts, wheel bearings, ring and pinions, axle shafts, brakes, rear springs, frames, etc regardless of engine. Frame psi/thickness based on the wheel base.

deere5105 said:
Got a friend that runs the shop at local Ford dealership. Messaged him and he too thought they were different. Said he would have to run a VIN to make certain, but thought the engine choice determined the drivetrain components. I ASSUMED they would keep it simple and keep them the same.

dodge man · Dec 10, 2013

Park an F150 and a F250 side by side and just take a look at the components underneath, such as axles, brakes and suspension. A lot of times the towing differences between a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton aren't that much difference, but just look at the parts and its obvious the 3/4 ton will hold up a lot better. To be honest, you aren't towing that far that often, you are probably overloading your current truck quite a bit, so the Ecoboost would be a step up, but probably would be overloaded a little bit.

tcartwri · Dec 10, 2013

slowzuki said:
The F250/F350 srw currently are basically all the same components and have been for a long time. What you get different:

2 vs 4" lift block on the rear end 250/350
Different rate spring packs/coils depending on option codes, in some cases the diesel gets close to the max spring rate and there aren't any ++ options.
5.4 L has only 2 sidegears in the same 10.5" rear axle as it is putting less torque through diff. (this isn't always true, some 5.4's got the v-10/diesel carrier +side gears)
F250 has lighter+smaller tires and in some cases lighter duty rim options - but not always.
Bellhousing casting on transmission different.
Torque convertor specs different (obviously)

They have the same transmissions, transfer cases, driveshafts, wheel bearings, ring and pinions, axle shafts, brakes, rear springs, frames, etc regardless of engine. Frame psi/thickness based on the wheel base.