Markcuda
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Show me any 4.1/2-5 inch grinder that is made in the U.S.A.?
Edit=at a fair price, lets say under $150
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Edit=at a fair price, lets say under $150
Scooby074
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Metabo's not USA. Most of their stuff is Western Europe (Germany). These grinders are their low end (price point) $125 units, however the previous shipment of the same grinders 3 mths ago were all German units. Obviously they recently moved manufacture overseas on these models.
I can show you a Canadian made one for $125. Makita 9005B MAKITA Industrial Power Tools - Tool Details - 9005B I have it. Best and toughest 5" grinder Ive ever used besides the Walter 5" and Big6, which are high end Metabos that have been rebadged.
Markcuda
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I have a 4.1/2 inch Milwaukee, 12 amp at least.
I am not a wimp by any means, I give up trying to stop it while grinding.
Not worth getting hurt over.
Edit=only 11 amps, not 12, sorry.
I am not a wimp by any means, I give up trying to stop it while grinding.
Not worth getting hurt over.
Edit=only 11 amps, not 12, sorry.
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Not many Marketing Geniuses on this site but follow along and here a re a few reasons for what you see out there. Starting with Thermadyne. There are the following Brands under the Thermadyne umbrella< Victor, Tweco, Arc Air, Stoody, Thermal Arc, Thermal Dynamics and 2 automation divisions all distributed Globally.. Too many to present to the market in a cost effective way in these changing markets.. They chose the make everything cutting go under the Victor name and everything welding go under the Tweco name to simplify and promote Brand Recognition from the 2 oldest brands, "NO Therml Dynamics Did Not Invent Plasma" Lol... Thermal Arc will soon be packaged as Tweco. The Victor 400 series is an entry level low cost kit designed to compete against Bernz-o-Matic, Harbor Frgt and a bunch of other low cost sets. Thus the red and green on the valves.. It is far superior to any of those and the handle is made of ALUMINUM Over Brass Not Plastic. This tells me how much you guys really looked at the packages. ( better on here to spout 1st.get facts 2nd It's epidemic with several of the above posters.) OK.. ITW which is Miller, Hobart, Weld Kraft, Bernard, Tregaskis, Smith and Baggies Zip Loc. ITW found the same issue.. Way to many brands to try to market all the names. The 1st step was to bring Smith in under the Miller name. 2nd step? Pick a brand from above, Several more will be marketed under the Miller name very soon. This is simply to make marketing easier. One of the bright posters from above laughed about Plastic in welding..Hmmmm How many welding products use Plastic in the torches, guns and Hoods. Problem is, The Victor 400 torches have no Plastic. Going forward guys, Facts 1st, Spew ignorance and look like a fool 2nd. Everything here is Fact.
Markcuda
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WOW, talk about talking down to us.
You sir/mam, are sure not in Public Relations.OLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You sir/mam, are sure not in Public Relations.OLOLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Scooby074
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How much Victor/Thermadyne paying you? You sound like one of their Marketing Geniuses.
Yeah Im pretty sure my helmet is plastic, mig guns.. yup plastic too. Bernard short stub... hey.. plastic again.. wow.
Thing is these things are not a torch handle.
Ill give you that its aluminum.. maybe. Honestly I picked it up,, laughed at it.. put it back in the box. Sure looked and felt like cheap black plastic to me.
/Edit. Its Zamak. Zinc and Aluminum alloy. Same stuff they make the pulls on your kitchen cabinets from. Cheaper than brass.
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Funny. You seem like the guy who would own entry level equipment.. If I remember correctly you have a MM252 and you actually think it's a great welder.. problem is that it's 1970's technology and sourced from over seas like all welders these days.. I have done marketing for TD and ITW and they are more the same than different. Some people get it, Some are Smoke blowers with limited credentials.. P.S. Who gives a crap how long a $40.00 grinder lasts.
Scooby074
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Ha ha.. A shill, marketing weenie, by any other name...
The 252 and its older siblings are a great welder... My employer thinks so.. all the fab shops in my area think so.. I think so. I can count on one hand places Ive worked where the 250 class migs were NOT a Miller. One esab and the rest Lincoln. I guess they're all smoke blowing know nothings are they?
Give it a break. There are/were like 10 Fronius machines in my province. All went to one shop for aluminum work mostly because the parent company was Euro AFAIK. They are all back to Miller. It was a failed experiment. Nearest Fronius rep is 2000 miles away. Same goes for the other Euros. Im not saying they arent high tec or quality.. just not ready for our market. They dont have the presence.
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Historically, when one brand absorbs another (take multiple lessons from the tractor and even the car industry), and rebrands it as their own, or merges it as a non distinct product, customer loyalty suffers and people become suspect that the original product is not any longer being made to the same standards, or that it was an opportunity to "slip" in downgrades and make substitutions. Usually sales suffer as a result. There's always been a lot of talk about synergy, of having two distinct, original brands under one roof, when one company buys out another or expands their line brands... but when the company shafts customers by disposing of a ages old brand name they are loyal to, it opens up questions in the customers mind (whether they are well founded or not,public perception is unwieldy and unpredictable when it comes to these things) about future warranty and service on their product. There are many people who would buy the distinct product, but won't buy the new name it is being sold under. Additionally when a brand name disappears, it telegraphs (unintentionally, but unavoidably) a message to the customers of the parent company that things are doing so well...especially when times are tough, people suspect this even more. Or it can also signal to a customer that the product line as a whole had significant issues, and rather than deal with them, just suspend the product name.
I've been in marketing for a long time, particularly in the Tractor and agricultural equipment industry, and have dealt with this before. At best it's a risky corporate technique , which cuts off the hand to stop a cut finger from bleeding. Occasionally it works, and that's when everyone looks like a marketing genius, but history is against them...and they'll usually look like marketing duds.
I've been in marketing for a long time, particularly in the Tractor and agricultural equipment industry, and have dealt with this before. At best it's a risky corporate technique , which cuts off the hand to stop a cut finger from bleeding. Occasionally it works, and that's when everyone looks like a marketing genius, but history is against them...and they'll usually look like marketing duds.
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Sadly, Nova Scotia remains 20 years behind the rest of the welding world. It's no wonder with what I read here. Also, I am not a big fan of what Victor and Miller are doing in the Marketing arena, I was simply explaining the mind set after discussing this with both companies.