Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or?

   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or? #51  
The best route might be buy JD 4120 and loader and find used hoe or aftermarket. Really want to stay around $30k.

i would agree with you, but i think you mean a used implement for a hoe, as opposed to an actually used backhoe (ie case 580)

I'm talking myself into a more powerful tractor. Am I crazy because as I think bigger I start doing this in the living room... :cool2:

if you are going to have one machine then yes i agree, if you are going to have two/rent when needed get what you are going to be most comfortable using/driving/buying/transporting

I don't understand why you are looking for a tractor with fel and then look into adding a backhoe but are not considering a tlb? The fel on most tlbs' are more sturdy than the ag fels are and there isn't any difference in removing and replacing the backhoe on any of them. Now you are asking about a 5000 size machine that likely won't be much different in hp from an M59. Good luck with whatever you buy but I would warn you about buying too small and lesser equipped machine if you wan't to keep it for many years.

as a commercial unit i absolutely agree, but how much is going to be digging, demoing, TLB, use and how much will be bush hogging

OP - my suggestion is to buy a used commercial backhoe they can be had for the price of a used backhoe for a tractor and will be much more capable, leave that at your property and use it as it was designed. then buy your CUT to do delicate, smaller, delicate tasks
 
   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or? #52  
[as a commercial unit i absolutely agree, but how much is going to be digging, demoing, TLB, use and how much will be bush hogging]



OP - my suggestion is to buy a used commercial backhoe they can be had for the price of a used backhoe for a tractor and will be much more capable, leave that at your property and use it as it was designed. then buy your CUT to do delicate, smaller, delicate tasks


I used my 110 with the MX6 brush mower with no problems, the 4120 through 4720 have the same specs as the 110 for the 3ph.

I think with a budget of $30k buying two machines would be difficult. IIRC he has a zero turn for mowing most areas, so the brush mowing is for two larger areas.

edit to add from the first post he has a 3 acre and 6 acre lot to brush mow that shouldn't take much tractor time each year.
 
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   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or? #53  
Definitely, and after looking at the Kubota L39 I am trying to figure out a way to get it to my backyard. Really nice machine! No hst option though. Think the L45 has hst but might be too expensive.

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I remeasured carport and it's actually 86". Tractor with fold down rops would work but L39 is 96". So I measured the side yard and iv'e got 100" of width but would have to remove brick planter, a few small trees, change out gate, and drive through front yard :eek:. The best solution might be to use my neighbors driveway, through their backyard, and straight to my back lot. My backlot wraps behind their backyard.

Or go with a regular tractor....

Buy a new carpot that L39 L45 will go under.

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   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or?
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#54  
i would agree with you, but i think you mean a used implement for a hoe, as opposed to an actually used backhoe (ie case 580)

if you are going to have one machine then yes i agree, if you are going to have two/rent when needed get what you are going to be most comfortable using/driving/buying/transporting


Yes, I really want to stick to one machine and was referring to BH implement. I've read that the JD and Kubota TLB's are like a swiss army knife, which I need for all the tasks it needs to handle.



as a commercial unit i absolutely agree, but how much is going to be digging, demoing, TLB, use and how much will be bush hogging

OP - my suggestion is to buy a used commercial backhoe they can be had for the price of a used backhoe for a tractor and will be much more capable, leave that at your property and use it as it was designed. then buy your CUT to do delicate, smaller, delicate tasks

I'm pretty handy but i want new or fairly new because I don't know much about repairing the tractor or backhoe, and when some of these digging jobs come up they need to be done quickly. Most of time there is a tenant in the house and need to dig and run new or fix in one day. This is partly why I will go bigger if I need to. I'm worried the backhoe attachment on say a L3800 would be fairly slow in digging a 40' ditch 3' deep. The L39, it seems, would handle that trench much better.

Will probably use this tractor 10 times a month. Trying to be realistic, but i feel like i will find ways to use it much more than that, ways I can't even think of. Bush hogging is very seldom. I can get away with mowing about 9-10 acres once a year. FEL/box blade work will probably come up most. Backhoe work might, might be once a month. It's just that when i spend $1200 for plumber to run new sewer line like I did a couple years ago it makes me mad. This was in the city and i have just recently been able to pull permits on jobs myself for properties I own. I couldn't, legally, have done that job then. These two jobs that are waiting on this decision will cost me $1500 more if the plumber digs. I can rent mini x and dig myself and spend $7-800 for both jobs but would much rather put toward my own piece of equipment.



I used my 110 with the MX6 brush mower with no problems, the 4120 through 4720 have the same specs as the 110 for the 3ph.

I think with a budget of $30k buying two machines would be difficult. IIRC he has a zero turn for mowing most areas, so the brush mowing is for two larger areas.



I will stretch the budget if I need to. 40k is manageable if it buys considerable difference. I just don't know real world difference of 3k series w/BH, 4k series w/BH, 5k, or a smaller TLB (compared to m59) like the Kubota L39. Have been watching videos of each but can't tell very much. Like you said, those tlb's have much better specs on the BH. L39 has 2000 more lbs of force on BH than 4120 BH. 5800 vs 3700. JD 3720 has same breakout force as 4120, both use 485 backhoe w/3700lbs bucket force. Kubota mx5100's BH92 has 4500lbs of force.

None of the dealers i have visited had a backhoe attached to the tractor i wanted. Most of the dealers didn't even have any BH attachment on the lot.

Not a big deal, but really don't like kubota's treadle peddle. Would probably get used to it, but it feels awkward compared to side by side

Will need pallet forks every now and then and i think the L39 can switch out FEL fairly easy.
 
   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or?
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#55  
Buy a new carpot that L39 L45 will go under.

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New carport is on my list. Will be using tractor to help build enclosed shop in backyard to store equipment behind lock and key, so if can find way around carport in the meantime would rather spend money now on shop. Carport later

Man i shouldn't have ever posted on this site. I originally was going with 3000 series tractor with BH attachment that would easily fit under carport. Now am considering spending 10k more on tractor and tearing down carport to get bigger tractor in backyard :)
 
   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or? #57  
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Not a big deal, but really don't like kubota's treadle peddle. Would probably get used to it, but it feels awkward compared to side by side

Will need pallet forks every now and then and i think the L39 can switch out FEL fairly easy.

Kabota lost me with their rocker pedal It seems the more they tried to make it useable in their more expensive units the worse it got. In the end I decided no matter what brand I purchased it would have to have side by side pedals. One of the reasons I looked so hard at LS, TYM and Kioti was because of the side by side pedal and the overall comfort of the machine. When my comfort was considered the brands that shinned were the Kioti TYM and JD as well a couple of the Mahindra tractors but when price points to what you get as standard or with the needed options added Mahindra and JD stood at the wayside watching the other horses race.

Remember no matter which machine you get you will have to live with it for a long time so be sure you will be comfortable on it
 
   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or? #58  
1 50' trench and you will wish you had a TLB. Getting out after each 8' lenth to move the Tractor gets old.
 
   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or? #59  
I have been recommending the Kubota tlbs' on their merits as they are very good machines. Not familiar with Kubota price structure as it has been several years since I shopped them. On Deere equipment I would expect around 18% off the list price with the low finance rate included. Some of the Kubota guys here should have a better idea of what you can expect for discount structure on the Kubota tlbs'. I know when I put my 110 package together that I worked out an $11,000 discount off msrp, which still seems to have been a fair price.

I bought the 110 to use for my plumbing business and liked the fact that I could pull it behind my service truck and make one trip to have everything I needed. That may not be an issue for you but I found it to be the best way to go. Having tools, fittings, pipe and tractor all in one trip saves lots of time on quick turn around jobs = more profit. At the time the 110 just made more sense for me than buying a full size backhoe which would need a larger truck and trailer to move. I considered buying a mini excavator and compact wheel loader but again same problem moving too much equipment for the small jobs.

Some real world differences to consider would be that the L39, L45 and 110 can not lift a full pallet of concrete sacks or paver stones but an M59 can. That is one of the sore spots I have with the 110. All of these tlbs' can dig for a septic tank (1500 gallons) but the extra 2' of reach and depth on the M59 makes it a lot easier to do. For backhoe operations I think all of the above have enough power to dig well. I found that I needed or wanted more power for box blade and land plane work on larger jobs and in 2009 bought the 4520 cab tractor to handle these 3ph jobs. If I had bought the M59 assuming it was available that may not have been needed.

Most of what I do is property maintenance in a vacation town with a short list of good customers and am licensed for mechanical, electrical and general construction. I have reduced my customer list to handle only the best clients and take care of all their property needs. The rest of the time is spent with NRCS irrigation pipeline and land leveling projects with landscaping, pasture renovation mixed in. I suspect that I have a good idea of what your long term needs will be, particularly if you are growing your property list over time. Sometimes I have to install a new hvac system other times I need a dump trailer to haul debris from a deck replacement job. I may not need a tractor every day, sometimes a tile saw is the tool of the day. I initially responded to your thread because I could easily identify with the work you are doing and the buy it right the first time approach. If you can manage to buy an M59 the first time it might be a stretch but I would bet it will cover 95% of your long term needs. I would settle for no less than the L45 with hydro though and doubt their is much difference in price over the L39.
 
   / Tractor & hoe...Deere 4105, Bota L3800, LS R4041, Mahindra 4025, or?
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Drive through it one time with the L39/45 and the problem would be solved :laughing:

:) but if I take your advice and go with an LS I can afford new tractor and carport, actually LS has fold down rops so....

Remember no matter which machine you get you will have to live with it for a long time so be sure you will be comfortable on it

Good advice

1 50' trench and you will wish you had a TLB. Getting out after each 8' lenth to move the Tractor gets old.

I keep telling the wife this but she has no sympathy


I bought the 110 to use for my plumbing business and liked the fact that I could pull it behind my service truck and make one trip to have everything I needed. That may not be an issue for you but I found it to be the best way to go. Having tools, fittings, pipe and tractor all in one trip saves lots of time on quick turn around jobs = more profit. At the time the 110 just made more sense for me than buying a full size backhoe which would need a larger truck and trailer to move. I considered buying a mini excavator and compact wheel loader but again same problem moving too much equipment for the small jobs.

Exactly. The f350 has toolboxes on the bed and i store tools, plumbing, electrical, carpentry supplies. A variety of things because i never know what will need that day. Want to pull trailer and equipment in one trip.



Some real world differences to consider would be that the L39, L45 and 110 can not lift a full pallet of concrete sacks or paver stones but an M59 can. That is one of the sore spots I have with the 110. All of these tlbs' can dig for a septic tank (1500 gallons) but the extra 2' of reach and depth on the M59 makes it a lot easier to do. For backhoe operations I think all of the above have enough power to dig well. I found that I needed or wanted more power for box blade and land plane work on larger jobs and in 2009 bought the 4520 cab tractor to handle these 3ph jobs. If I had bought the M59 assuming it was available that may not have been needed.

A few months ago I removed a full pallet of concrete from bed of truck by hand. Really don't want to do that again :)

Most of what I do is property maintenance in a vacation town with a short list of good customers and am licensed for mechanical, electrical and general construction. I have reduced my customer list to handle only the best clients and take care of all their property needs. The rest of the time is spent with NRCS irrigation pipeline and land leveling projects with landscaping, pasture renovation mixed in. I suspect that I have a good idea of what your long term needs will be, particularly if you are growing your property list over time. Sometimes I have to install a new hvac system other times I need a dump trailer to haul debris from a deck replacement job. I may not need a tractor every day, sometimes a tile saw is the tool of the day. I initially responded to your thread because I could easily identify with the work you are doing and the buy it right the first time approach. If you can manage to buy an M59 the first time it might be a stretch but I would bet it will cover 95% of your long term needs. I would settle for no less than the L45 with hydro though and doubt their is much difference in price over the L39.

You are spot on. I've got 5 hvac units in storage that i would like to transport myself but so far pay my hvac man to transport and setup. I could set these up myself and save 3-400 a piece. I don't need license or permit to do plumbing/electrical work where the mobile home park is located.

I think i would need at least 20' flatbed, sounds like 24' would be best, to transport L39, L45, or M59, but is there any way one of those would fit in my 16' dump trailer? it's rated 14k lbs and has 83" wide bed. Thought i might be able to put fel over front wall. Sure would be convenient

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