MinnesotaEric
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The take-away of their 4 final (version b) is that you get a quieter engine that gets around 20% better economy.
Me, I pay money for quiet. In fact I had a sound meter application open when I shopped cab on 60 hp tractors.
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The take-away of their 4 final (version b) is that you get a quieter engine that gets around 20% better economy.
Me, I pay money for quiet. In fact I had a sound meter application open when I shopped cab on 60 hp tractors.
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This isn't all that different from when "modern" emissions controls started being mandated for automobiles. Everyone claimed performance was dead, and that it would ruin all sorts of things in the auto industry. The reality is that cars make more power, are quieter, cleaner, more reliable, faster, get better gas mileage, etc than the old iron (which I still like). It did make them more expensive to buy, and service, but for that added cost you get more performance, and lower operating expenses (fuel). Hopefully having Tier IV development done years ago on the larger machines will mean there are limited growing pains in the CUT/SCUT/Utility market.
I'm looking at new cabbed tractors and I'm not worrying about Tier IV....it is what it is at this point. I doubt it will be my last tractor anyway, so I'll have to bite the bullet eventually.
I'm looking at new cabbed tractors and I'm not worrying about Tier IV....it is what it is at this point. I doubt it will be my last tractor anyway, so I'll have to bite the bullet eventually.
ShowroomShine
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75c is Tier 4 interim right now. New Holland and Case IH tractors are pretty similar (very in fact).
Tier 4 is scary, however you do get much better fuel economy, no reduction in power, and a much quieter tractor. I wish my little SCUT Kioti was Tier 4, that thing could stand to be a few db less.
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It did take a little while to get there, so many forget how much damage happened to cars right after the switch.....and even cars with heads that had hard seats...they still had heat cracks and destroyed valve train components as well as the seats. The older cars that was just a few hundred $$ to put in the hardened seats and then a lot of labor to R&R the heads....thousands if you had to pay someone to do it.
It was a train wreck, but we made it past.
Problem with americans is they hate change and will fight it tooth and nail. Goes double true if it does nothing but make the costs go up. Look at the digital TV switch not long ago...that was a bit of a mess, with guberment converter boxes and such....now no big deal...but at the time...it was a real problem for some people.
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The biggest problem I see is the acceptance of this kind of thing which brings about more of it.I live in California where our crazies are crazier than your crazies and I have a good friend who is buying a 60' sport fisher yacht for $1mil +.This boat has 2- 12V92TA Detroit diesel engines plus a 4 cyl diesel generator all of which we the taxpayer are replacing at no cost to him.Great for him,not so great for the tax payer.This same program has already replaced the power systems in nearly all the Ca. commercial fleet.The same deal has put a bunch of smaller construction companies out of business and cost others millions in re-powering while paying for some others.
The govt. has no money, for every dollar it gives to one it takes from another and due to the corruption that is now accepted as normal it takes $10 to give $1.This tier 3 or 4 or whatever is just sniffing around the edge of a huge cesspool that grows ever larger.
I love my country but despise what our government has become.
The govt. has no money, for every dollar it gives to one it takes from another and due to the corruption that is now accepted as normal it takes $10 to give $1.This tier 3 or 4 or whatever is just sniffing around the edge of a huge cesspool that grows ever larger.
I love my country but despise what our government has become.
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So very true. I am not sure what has happened to people, they really seem to have just lost their minds. It is all a who you know, and it is so bent it is just amazing. Solyndra anyone? So much of this is being forced down our neck when we really do not need it. Once this technology becomes a real benefit it will take off. Till then we will just keep handing out billions of your $$ to companies and executives that can not last in the real world. But that is not what it is really all about.
diesel466
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Final Tier 4 on the lower horse power compacts forced most to go from a simple mechanical injection system to electronic systems, Which added thousands to the price and lots of new parts. Even IF they are 20% better on fuel, The average compact owner will never save that much in fuel to cover the cost back. I put about 60 hours a year on my tractor, So I might save 40 dollars a year in fuel. I would like to know how much energy was used to make all the added parts?
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I'm not so sure that the prices are going to jump that much. I just looked at a Kioti NX5010 HSTC equipped the same as the previous DK50SE HSTC, and the final price was just under $32K, which isn't a whole lot higher than what the DK50HSTCs were running when they were still available.
Are you changing tractors again. No you were just there for the coffee right?
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Disclaimer: I bought my LS R3039H last summer (Tier 3). I'm very happy with it.
I needed the tractor last summer to get going on some projects and had the budget for it. If the circumstances dictated that I had to hold of until this year and I was faced with having to buy a Tier 4 tractor, I would not have been concerned.
If I were faced with purchase of a Tier 3 tractor that did not have all of the features I desired and a Tier 4 tractor did have all features desired and was still within the budget (even higher end of budget), I would not hesitate to go Tier 4.
Having said that, I am watching with interest how the regen cycles are working out for the typical occasional CUT owner. I've seen some references that a tractor went into regen on the way to the barn and the owner ended up leaving it run the 20 or so minutes to complete the cycle. A farmer might be running the tractor all day (and part of the night), so the regen cycle would be transparent. Not sure how this will work out for the hobby guys like me.
Be safe.
Bob
I needed the tractor last summer to get going on some projects and had the budget for it. If the circumstances dictated that I had to hold of until this year and I was faced with having to buy a Tier 4 tractor, I would not have been concerned.
If I were faced with purchase of a Tier 3 tractor that did not have all of the features I desired and a Tier 4 tractor did have all features desired and was still within the budget (even higher end of budget), I would not hesitate to go Tier 4.
Having said that, I am watching with interest how the regen cycles are working out for the typical occasional CUT owner. I've seen some references that a tractor went into regen on the way to the barn and the owner ended up leaving it run the 20 or so minutes to complete the cycle. A farmer might be running the tractor all day (and part of the night), so the regen cycle would be transparent. Not sure how this will work out for the hobby guys like me.
Be safe.
Bob
