Kioti CS2410 Delivered! Thoughts and pictures so far.

[murphy1244]

Look guys, you are all missing the point. I'm not saying I'm not using the rops, or that I'm unhappy with their operation. I'm saying they are too tall for some of the low limbs on my property. Who knew I'd incite such reactions when saying the rops are too tall.

Also, I'm well aware of rops and their usage. I'm a construction and ag equipment dealer for goodness sakes, I assure you I'm familiar with the operation and reason for their place on the machine.

At the end of the day, the rops are too tall for my application. The tractor works, but the rops are too tall. I'd be happier if they were lower LIKE ON THE KUBOTA, maybe then they wouldnt catch on so many branches. Until then, I'll keep trimming the branches around my property.

That ROPS looks huge! I agree.

 

[lostcreekranch]

Perhaps Kioti uses same ROPS components on several tractors models resulting in them looking oversized on the smaller tractors?

I guess you could remove upper ROPS section and have a qualified welder remove a section out of each side and re-weld?

I wouldn't want the ROPS on our Kubota B2710 to be any shorter as I have to duck when getting on / off of it.



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[GManBart]

So why is it that Kubota has a ROPS thats much lower and has been for some time? If that machine was in my same spaces and not hitting branches, but still the same size machine would it mean that the machine is wrong for the job?

I'm sorry, but I dont think that saying branches are hitting my tall ROPS means I have the incorrect machine for the job. Also, many zero turn mowers have ROPS that are nearly as tall as the ones on my tractor.

First off, you can't make comparisons like this and come up with anything reasonable without being very careful.

The length of the machine, height of the engine (since the hood will crush down to the engine in a rollover), the distance from the top of the ROPS to the front of the hood (or ground contact point, which might be the top of the loader arms), and probably a whole bunch of other stuff will factor in to how high a ROPS needs to be in order to be effective. Remember, the tractor will be upside down, and they have to factor in that you may be thrown forward, arms extended, unconscious when it happens. Just gauging the height between your head and the ROPS means next to nothing.

Still, if you want to make a comparison to Kubota, lets look at the most similar model in their BX line, and see what we find, shall we?

Kioti CS2410, 24.hp machine, that weighs 1,485lbs, has a wheelbase of 55.1" a length of 98.1" and a ROPS height of 88".

Kubota BX2670, 25.5hp machine, that weighs 1,466lbs, has a wheelbase of 55.1", a length of 95.5" and a ROPS height of 87.2".

Do you really want to claim that your Kioti has an overly high ROPS, and Kubota has a ROPS that is much lower? Is 10" really night and day difference in that scenario? As small as that difference is, it might be completely necessary if one has a higher/lower set of loader arms, or hood, or the difference in length changes the geometry of them when they've turned turtle...it's just not possible to guess at something like this.

It might just save your head in an accident, but let's worry about bumping into a few branches instead....

 

[GManBart]

Oh, on the comparison to ZTRs, I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers.

A SCAG Tiger Cat has a 66" ROPS.

A Hustler X1i has a 71.25" ROPS.

An eXmark Lazer DS has a 72.7" ROPS.

A Snapper 550Z has a 66" ROPS.

All of those are larger, commercial/industrial models. Those are the only brands I looked up, but I'm sure many more would be similar...all 15-20" lower than your Kioti...not nearly as high as you claimed.

 

[lostcreekranch]

Oh, on the comparison to ZTRs, I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers. A SCAG Tiger Cat has a 66" ROPS. A Hustler X1i has a 71.25" ROPS. An eXmark Lazer DS has a 72.7" ROPS. A Snapper 550Z has a 66" ROPS. All of those are larger, commercial/industrial models. Those are the only brands I looked up, but I'm sure many more would be similar...all 15-20" lower than your Kioti...not nearly as high as you claimed.

I will measure the ROPS height on our JD Z820A ZTR when I get to Ranch Thursday and report back but, guessing less than 72".

I keep it folded down almost all of the time as everyplace we use it is flat and makes it easier to mow under the above noted low tree branches. With the ROPS behind your head you tend to forget about it and, if you hit a really sturdy low limb with ROPS, the front of ZTR comes up quick. Don't ask how I know about that.

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[ShowroomShine]

First off, you can't make comparisons like this and come up with anything reasonable without being very careful.

The length of the machine, height of the engine (since the hood will crush down to the engine in a rollover), the distance from the top of the ROPS to the front of the hood (or ground contact point, which might be the top of the loader arms), and probably a whole bunch of other stuff will factor in to how high a ROPS needs to be in order to be effective. Remember, the tractor will be upside down, and they have to factor in that you may be thrown forward, arms extended, unconscious when it happens. Just gauging the height between your head and the ROPS means next to nothing.

Still, if you want to make a comparison to Kubota, lets look at the most similar model in their BX line, and see what we find, shall we?

Kioti CS2410, 24.hp machine, that weighs 1,485lbs, has a wheelbase of 55.1" a length of 98.1" and a ROPS height of 88".

Kubota BX2670, 25.5hp machine, that weighs 1,466lbs, has a wheelbase of 55.1", a length of 95.5" and a ROPS height of 87.2".

Do you really want to claim that your Kioti has an overly high ROPS, and Kubota has a ROPS that is much lower? Is 10" really night and day difference in that scenario? As small as that difference is, it might be completely necessary if one has a higher/lower set of loader arms, or hood, or the difference in length changes the geometry of them when they've turned turtle...it's just not possible to guess at something like this.

It might just save your head in an accident, but let's worry about bumping into a few branches instead....

I was more speaking to the Kubota BX2360's I've seen with ROPS that are much lower. 70.4" in fact. Now while 18" is a ton and would solve my problem with hitting low hanging branches, I feel that 70.4" ROPS are *too* low on these size tractors. That being said, I'm sure there is some happy medium between the ungainly looking ROPS on my machine, and the lower ROPS on a BX2360.

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Now surely, there is a happy medium between my rops that are TOO TALL, and these rops that are too low to be used safely IMO. I suppose if that were to happen, I'd still be using the wrong machine for the job as you say.

As far as the zero turn, I never produced any numbers, I said "nearly". Frankly, in some of my areas 10" would still make a difference in hitting a limb and not hitting a limb. This will be solved shortly as I'm trimming up what I can around the property. In the meantime, I suppose I should be using goats for the areas around my pasture I'm trying to bush hog with my machine, instead of stating the ROPS are too tall (since I'm using the wrong machine for the job and all). Obviously that request is way to far out in left field to be considered valid.

Now can I go back to my thread where I discuss thoughts and issues with my tractor, instead of having a silly argument about ROPS?

 

[lostcreekranch]

Now can I go back to my thread where I discuss thoughts and issues with my tractor, instead of having a silly argument about ROPS?

Yes, please carry on. This can even be a monologue if you like. Most were trying to answer your questions and offer assistance.

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[ShowroomShine]

Yes, please carry on. This can even be a monologue if you like. Most were trying to answer your questions and offer assistance.

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I never had any questions, and most are trying to tell me that because I offered the opinion that my rops were too tall that I was either using the wrong machine, or I'd be endangering my life with the hypothetical scenario of having a shorter set of rops. Neither of which I think to be true.

 

[Coyote machine]

Yes, as a seller of equipment you likely are familiar, as you stated, about ROPS more so than the average Joe Blow; no offense to JB.
IMHO, most people on TBN like to interact with other member's posts, and often with good intention to share opinions and facts, sometimes without the thread poster having asked a specific 'question'.
The more time you spend here you may find this to be true.
Sometimes everyone gains from lively discussion, sometimes not and a thread derails.

Modifying your ROPS, as someone suggested, would defeat it's purpose.

As a savy equipment dealer I'm confident you could adjust your own brakes, for instance, either yourself of have one of your mechanics do it in no time.

Please continue your thread, and take back control of it's subject matter.

 

[davidvercher]

Showroom Shine, I am an owner of a CS2410 and I have a couple of questions for you if you do not mind,

1.) Does the new tooth bar you installed help with digging? I would like to purchase on myself, but didn't know if it was worth the money.

2.) Did loading the real tires help much? I want to do that also, but figured since the tires were so small it wouldn't add much weight.

3.) Have you noticed where the Hydro filter is located (I know there are two, the one between the wheels)? It seems to be just sticking out to be broken off while in deep brush. Also I have knocked a dent in the filter by removing the MMM. It seems to catch it while sliding out. I just found that a poor design location.

- My tractor had water in the diesel or bad diesel and ran rough when I first purchased also. So you wasn't the only one. (Added fresh diesel and had no problems since)

- I don't like the height of the ROPS either. I hung mine on the guide wire coming off an electric pole, and like to brought the whole mess down on my head. (It was a pants changing experience)! I just leave mine folded down.