NX4510 and NX5010 pricing and review

[IslandTractor]

Great video, although we never got to see the completed project. Took quite awhile to get it down. What tractor is that? Is it hst or shuttle? If that is the 45 hp hst, then I really can't wait to see what my nx6010 will do!!!:licking:

The tractor used to push over the tree is 42hp and lighter than a NX4510. Additionally, if you listen to the engine it sounds like it is barely if ever reaching PTO RPM. Pushing trees over is all about traction, leverage (height of FEL), weight of the tractor and patience. It helps to rip some roots before pushing. Horsepower plays a relatively small role. .

If you think a 60hp tractor is going to do that job any faster or better, you are mistaken. If you try to rev up the engine and ram away (like Eric the Wrecker would do) then you will break your tractor.

 

[kapper]

The tractor used to push over the tree is 42hp and lighter than a NX4510. Additionally, if you listen to the engine it sounds like it is barely if ever reaching PTO RPM. Pushing trees over is all about traction, leverage (height of FEL), weight of the tractor and patience. It helps to rip some roots before pushing. Horsepower plays a relatively small role. .

If you think a 60hp tractor is going to do that job any faster or better, you are mistaken. If you try to rev up the engine and ram away (like Eric the Wrecker would do) then you will break your tractor.

Good points, but I disagree that hp makes little difference. IF, you have enough weight, which transfers to good traction, then it is very logical to assert that the more hp that you can transfer to traction, the more power you will have. Just my 2 cents, but I think we've provided lots of fodder for folks looking at the CUT's between 40 and 60 hp.

 

[kapper]

By the way, that is just dang impressive for a 42 hp. I mentioned earlier that with the advancement of the technology and attachments etc that more and more cool attachments will keep coming out. Guess I just prefer having the insurance of the extra power on hand. Oh, and when you look at how he tried to 'pull' the tree in reverse at a slight angle, that is how I bent the loader . Except I had a chain hooked on, so it wouldn't release

 

[IslandTractor]

Good points, but I disagree that hp makes little difference. IF, you have enough weight, which transfers to good traction, then it is very logical to assert that the more hp that you can transfer to traction, the more power you will have. Just my 2 cents, but I think we've provided lots of fodder for folks looking at the CUT's between 40 and 60 hp.

Understood. In my experience when you are pushing on a tree the tractor's front wheels provide relatively little if any traction because they are lifted off the ground. In low range, I can spin the rear wheels when pushing on a tree so traction, not power, becomes the limiting factor. And, that is a good thing. CUT FELs are NOT designed or built to be battering rams. That's why bulldozers have short fat low "FEL" arms designed for pushing. If you happen to get more traction with bigger tires then you simply increase the risk of damaging the FEL. Weight and leverage are the way to work it. Power just causes trouble for this type of inherently abusive task.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

The tractor used to push over the tree is 42hp and lighter than a NX4510. Additionally, if you listen to the engine it sounds like it is barely if ever reaching PTO RPM. Pushing trees over is all about traction, leverage (height of FEL), weight of the tractor and patience. It helps to rip some roots before pushing. Horsepower plays a relatively small role. .

If you think a 60hp tractor is going to do that job any faster or better, you are mistaken. If you try to rev up the engine and ram away (like Eric the Wrecker would do) then you will break your tractor.

Sadly, my post from last night was deleted.

I use chain saws to do the work of chain saws.

Kioti designed their NX series engines to last 20,000 hours, if that holds up, the only people ordering engines will be people restoring an NX series in 50 years for a museum.

Daedong does business as Kioti as in d/b/a

 

[IslandTractor]

Sadly, my post from last night was deleted.

I use chain saws to do the work of chain saws.

Kioti designed their NX series engines to last 20,000 hours, if that holds up, the only people ordering engines will be people restoring an NX series in 50 years for a museum.

Daedong does business as Kioti as in d/b/a

Pushing over trees instead of cutting them down can be very efficient. If you use a chainsaw, you are left with the stump and root ball to deal with and little or no leverage to get them out without a lot of digging.

My favored technique is to mount the BH with ripper and grapple. Use the ripper to tear up roots on both sides and the use the grapple up about 8 feet off the ground to push. Typically the tractor starts to "climb" the tree and that's fine for a foot or so. It usually tilts the tree over a bit. Then back off, reposition and give another little shove. Sometimes move 30 degrees or so and push a different direction. At some point the root ball will start to show it's outline. Then use the grapple to dig into it and curl a bit. Then back to the trunk. Sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. With experience the "tipping point" is easy to recognize and at that point just make sure the root ball isn't going to come up under the tractor while you finish. The whole tree can then be lifted in the grapple if the area is clear or otherwise just grab the root ball from the base and drag it to a clearing where it can be either cut up or carried away. Pretty efficient way of dealing with trees up to about a foot or so in diameter at the base. WAY less work and mess than cutting down the tree and then digging out the stump. Much cleaner too. The hole is about a third the size of what you end up with if you dig the stump out.

(Of course if you spent all your budget on horsepower, you won't have enough to get a BH and ripper. )

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Pushing over trees instead of cutting them down can be very efficient.

[snip]

Try to avoid killing yourself with a falling branch from the tree your knocking over.

 

[IslandTractor]

Try to avoid killing yourself with a falling branch from the tree your knocking over.

Yep. Don't try to knock over big dead trees. Good point.

 

[TSO]

Try to avoid killing yourself with a falling branch from the tree your knocking over.

my cab actually saved my bacon once or twice this year from that happening, inadvertently when I ran into my dead tree I was working around.

 

[murphy1244]

my cab actually saved my bacon once or twice this year from that happening, inadvertently when I ran into my dead tree I was working around.

Talk about a hard hat area. Ouch!