Who can afford a new truck anymore?

   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #281  
Latest survey says the city I live has the worst roads in the nation... have to agree... based on city size.

We have potholes that can swallow a wheel for a compact car...
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #282  
Latest survey says the city I live has the worst roads in the nation... have to agree... based on city size.

We have potholes that can swallow a wheel for a compact car...

Where are your taxes going?

California has the fourth highest gasoline motor fuel (state and federal excise, other state) taxes as of July 1, 2015. Motor Fuel Taxes*

Steve


* After PA, NY, and Hawaii.
 
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   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #283  
Taxes are much higher in Oakland than many neighboring areas and gasoline tax is one of them...

The road my parents live on was last paved in 1958... zero since then.

Some of the busy city streets are just one pothole or rut after another...

Report: San Francisco-Oakland roads some of the worst in country - San Jose Mercury News

A new law is exacerbating the situation... under the new law homes 95% of the homes must install a new sewer lateral as a condition of sale... this is making the already bad roads into a patchwork or repairs from all the new sewer work...

That said... a heavy duty truck with large tires would be the best to navigate city streets.

All those that bought into the super low profile tires with rims certainly pay the price...
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #284  
Hey, some places around here they're considering grinding up the asphalt and returning the roads to gravel. They don't have the money to repave them.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #285  
My folks were friends with a family that had an alignment shop back in the 60's and 70's....

All the Japanese cars of that era were good for business... seems it did not take much of a jolt to throw off the alignment... especially with the small tires...

The trucks only came in with lots of miles and then mostly for kingpins...

Trucks must be better because my 85 and 91 have original suspension components... then again I am a careful driver... it's my money if it breaks!
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #286  
Taxes are much higher in Oakland than many neighboring areas and gasoline tax is one of them...

The road my parents live on was last paved in 1958... zero since then.

Funny how the Internet leads you from one place to another...

There was a story, that normally I would not bother to read but it was about a fight in a Publix super market which is odd and got me curious. Turned out the store in the story was east of where my grandmother lived and the article had used Google Maps to locate the store. So I started looking at the map, got curiouser about how things might have changed so I dropped into street view and started "driving" around. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Funny how some things had changed while other things remained the same. :D

Eventually, I "drove" to my grandmother's old house, and what really stuck out to me was the very poor shape of the roads. :eek: I did not see pot holes but the road was just worn down and different colors of all things. Really strange. From the looks of things, it does not seem the roads had been repaved in 20-30 years. They were in great shape before my grandmother died but not now. The city has really grown but at the same time become run down. :confused3:

Later,
Dan
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #287  
Indicators that can tell a lot are how roads are maintained and how people keep up their cars... old or new.

Trucks and SUVs seem to have fewer problems in the urban cores with bad roads...

Brother is thinking of a new truck... not sure what he will end up with... always had F250 and a long time ago Chevrolets... he is even starting to consider the F150 which is something he never would have looked at... his wife likes the new F150... so it could happen.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #288  
Yep. There was a story on the news just tonight about that and talk of raising the gasoline tax. Some study said the raise in taxes would be less to the average person than the damage done to their cars by driving on bad roads on an annual basis.... I kinda think they're taking some averages there. Like one person getting a thousand bucks in damage will offset 10 people paying $100 more per year in gas tax. Anyhow, no free lunch... or roads.
Trucks cause almost all the road damage, especially overloaded trucks.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #289  
Just traded in my 250 for a 2015 f150 Platinum. These trucks are really sweet and so nice to drive. Beat the dealer up pretty good. 63K down to 54K cash out the door. Dealer says he has more cash deals lately than he has ever seen. Go figure.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #290  
Hey, some places around here they're considering grinding up the asphalt and returning the roads to gravel. They don't have the money to repave them.

Not much (cough-cough) competition in the pavement biz, so it gets pricey fast.....

Sign'O'TheTimes...... what you are talking about is common enough that I think it was Purdue that has a credit Engineering course covering the relevant issues surrounding de-asphalting.....

I'm OK riding a dual-purpose MC during the warm months..... works for me !

Rgds, D.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #291  
Got curious about new truck pricing. My 2012 F150 supercrew 4x4 lariat had a sticker price $46575. On the Ford website I just priced a 2015 with identical or near identical equipment, it is $48650.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #292  
My 08 2500hd was around $30k
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #293  
My 2007 F250 XLT with quite a few options was 35k out the door.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #294  
Guess if you own a dodge 1500, 2500, or 3500, 4x4, 08-12 you are getting a new one on dodge. HS
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #295  
I will never again own a new truck..I will not pay someone that kind of price to eat the depreciation on a new vehicle..
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #296  
I will never again own a new truck..I will not pay someone that kind of price to eat the depreciation on a new vehicle..

The perennial debate. New or used? Lease or purchase?

Last time I purchased, because the truck was cheap, and the lease rates were high. This time I least because the lease rates were virtually zero. So, with the small amount of interest and the depreciation I'm only paying about $400 per month for the 2014 F1 50 super crew with the XTR option. And, in two years, I get a new truck!
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #297  
I will never again own a new truck..I will not pay someone that kind of price to eat the depreciation on a new vehicle..

Then you don't have to hear the big "thump" when you drive off the lot. The sound of the value dropping like a rock as soon as you do.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #298  
Then you don't have to hear the big "thump" when you drive off the lot. The sound of the value dropping like a rock as soon as you do.

I could never understand that logic. Who is going to turn around and sell just after buying a new truck?
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #299  
I could never understand that logic. Who is going to turn around and sell just after buying a new truck?
I agree, why would someone sell a fresh truck so early? But I see it quite a bit. Maybe they bought the wrong truck.
In the past I have looked for low mileage vehicles in the three year old range. In my experience the newer used stuff holds its value pretty well until the warranty expires. There wasn't much savings after you consider used car interest rates are typically higher.
My wife was looking for a small SUV and after looking exclusively at used ones I calculated that I was only going to save about 2500.00 vs buying new. The interest was much better. Some people pay cash but I didn't have 22k. Seemed like it was smarter to buy new and have one that I knew hadn't been abused.
 
   / Who can afford a new truck anymore? #300  
I have purchased mostly used cars most of my longish life and repaired them as required, including a few engine rebuilds or crate motor replacements, rebuilding automatic transmissions, etc. and have spent many hours at the drag strips with cars I built, all of this with seldom having concrete to work on or a garage to work in. I have even blueprinted my own motors, as much as one can do at a home shop.

I grew up in the muscle car area as a teenager and lived that life to its fullest for many of my years. However, while I really enjoyed that era, those cars and trucks can't compare to vehicles of today in terms of safety, build quality, reliability, handling, fuel mileage, power or anything else germane I can think of. I remember those days fondly, but will never own another vehicle of that era out of choice. The only positive attribute for me of those autos over today's autos is those earlier generation autos were easy to work on and had so much room to do so, while today's are nigh impossible for the home mechanic. Easy repairability was a good thing as their life span was relatively short and so was their reliability.

I drive all of my vehicles for many years and rarely purchase new or semi-new, so depreciation is never a concern. My new Ram 2500 diesel 4x4 is most likely the last vehicle I will purchase and I expect no major maintenance problems during its life span with me, which is important at this stage of my life and a primary reason I purchased new. Was it expensive? Oh, absolutely. But at this stage in my life it was worth it for the peace of mind and long-term reliability I expect to have.

I purchased a new tractor two years ago to clear my densely forested retirement property that has heavy clay soil and layers of rocks- many very large that required a tractor and grapple to move. I purchased new as I needed the reliability to complete this task whenever my employer decided it was okay for me to work on my own things. And now it is completed and the tractor and implements have paid for themselves while working very hard and providing supreme reliability when used at their maximum capabilities. A farmer friend of mine still has to work on his old Ford's on a regular basis just to do regular grounds maintenance around his place and there is no way his equipment would have completed my tasks in the time frame I needed. My stuff needs to work hard when I need them to and old and worn out does not work for me anymore.

So for all of you guys who want to purchase old vehicles and want to spend the labor to keep them going and are content with the reliability on long trips with your loved ones and the potential lack of safety should that vehicle be involved in a serious accident- good for you. I am no longer in that group. Oh, BTW, I no longer repair dishwashers, clothes washers, clothes dryers, coffee makers, home electronics, etc. But I do my own tractor preventive maintenance, modifications and troubleshooting as prior tier 4 tractors are still relatively easy to work on.
 

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