Mosin-Nagant hex receiver

[Soundguy]

post a pic ( or email me one ) if you can.

Have you looked on gunbroker for a bbl?

finding one for a m39 will be tough.. not may people parting those.

in the end.. you might be money ahead to sell that one and buy a cheap variant, type 53, 91/30, etc... if you are looking for a shooter.

 

[paulharvey]

Here is a picture of it. It's hard to get any pics of barrel markings. It's pretty ugly, guess I just got a bit over excited when I found out it wasn't just a regular production M91/30.

 

[Soundguy]

you can always look under the tang for a date and hammer symbol ( tula )

poor thing has lost it's wood....

 

[paulharvey]

you can always look under the tang for a date and hammer symbol ( tula )

poor thing has lost it's wood....

So, I was playing on Gunbroker.com app; and found several barreled receivers of M91/30; several for cheaper than just a barrel. Would my bolt, magazine, trigger group just drop into another (round) reciever, buy a $49 stock and save the hex reciever for "one of these days" project?

 

[Soundguy]

the m39 could have a improved 2 stage trigger, and better disconnector / seperator for magazine usage.. but if the stock has shims, it's a fitted part. mixing and matching may get you rim lock. also.. there are minor mods to fin'd bolts and to the feed ramp area at the rcvr.

I would NOT look to mix and match parts...

if you want a cheap mosin variant shooter.. buy a cheap mosin variant shooter.

m39 wood, as you will notice, looks very very different than any other models wood.

could you repurpose another stock and make it work? probably.

 

[Buggs67]

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Cheapest I saw was $180 for a complete rifle. I paid $90 for my first one.

 

[Soundguy]

Think my first mosin was 39$

 

[Josh Smith]

Here is a picture of it. It's hard to get any pics of barrel markings. It's pretty ugly, guess I just got a bit over excited when I found out it wasn't just a regular production M91/30.

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Hello,

That's not an M39. Though it's hard to tell what it is from that pic, it's likely an M24, M27, or M28. The M28/30 and later don't have dovetail rear sights, and I'm pretty sure I see a dovetail on there. The M39 has a pistol grip wrist, not a straight wrist.

What's the front sight look like?

It could be I'm mis-seeing things due to the blurry pic.

This thread is what got me here, so I'll follow it.

Regards,

Josh

 

[oldpilgrim]

See the different models in my post #12 above.

 

[paulharvey]

Hello,

That's not an M39. Though it's hard to tell what it is from that pic, it's likely an M24, M27, or M28. The M28/30 and later don't have dovetail rear sights, and I'm pretty sure I see a dovetail on there. The M39 has a pistol grip wrist, not a straight wrist.

What's the front sight look like?

It could be I'm mis-seeing things due to the blurry pic.

This thread is what got me here, so I'll follow it.

Regards,

Josh

The front site is gone, it was part of the barrel that was cut off. The main reason I came up with the M39 was the 1942 Belgium barrel, the 7.62x54 (not 7.62x53; D stamp). The rear site was hard soldered I think but I'm not looking at it right now, so I'm not 100%

 

[Soundguy]

with the front of the bbl gone, the importer stamp is likely gone too.

deffinately wrong stock for a m39 no pistol grip.

 

[paulharvey]

with the front of the bbl gone, the importer stamp is likely gone too.

deffinately wrong stock for a m39 no pistol grip.

While I agree in principle, roughly 10,000 of the first M39's where constructed on the classic stock pattern according the the website I linked way back.

It amazes me how much detail can be found on a fire arm made during a desperate fight for survival. I mean, in 1942, the offensive had stalled into the world's deadliest siege at Leningrad/Pedrograd/St Petersburg. I'm sure this was about when Mannerhiem started doubting his invasion of the USSR

 

[Soundguy]

10k out of how many? ( lots n lots )

Not to mention during refurb, it was common or at least possible to get a different stock.. wartime stock.. etc.

 

[paulharvey]

Ok, here's some more detailed pictures. The one is my drawing of barrel symbols, numbers, ect. I know the B means Belgium, the D means it fires 7.62x54r vs 7.62x53r, and the serial numbers match on barrel, receiver and bolt handle.



The receiver has only 3 or so markings. The left top side has the matching serial number to barrel and bolt. The middle front has what appears to be an intentionally removed or very lightly stamped "tree" or leaf symbol? With a "1" or "I" below it. Above the "tree" it looks like there could have been something more, but can't tell. The right top of the receiver has a stylized "YT" or perhaps backward 4T, or likely a Cyrillic letter I don't know and can't make with my phone key pad.




The 3rd picture is what's left of where the rear sight is suppose to be.

Any where else I should look for numbers, symbols, ect?

I've got a friend with a wood M91/30 stock he's willing to give me, and I'm watching a $58 28" 1942 Mosin Barrel (I assume from an M91/30) on ebay. Now, if I can have a shooter for $58 and some hand work I'm all for it; but I'm concerned about getting the old barrel off (watched some YouTube vids) and not sure about head spacing concerns.


By the way, thanks everyone who has commented; this isn't the most important thing in the world, by far; and I appreciate the help.

 

[the old grind]

... Not to mention during refurb, it was common or at least possible to get a different stock.. wartime stock.. etc.

At last, someone said it. :thumbsup:

And 'old-mil' collectors come to expect it. ("Parts is parts.")

 

[Josh Smith]

Hello,

OK, you've got the SA stamp -- that's the Finnish armory stamp so that's good and cool.

Can you tell us what the magazine looks like? Here's a pic of the differences:

It could have been swapped out as the Finnish HV mags are worth some money, but it'd be a clue.

Those barrel markings look a heck of a lot like a Finnish M91, shown here:

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/0144.jpg

The Finnish M91 was still in production in 1942.

Regards,

Josh

 

[paulharvey]

Interesting Josh, I didn't know the Finns made a "proper" M91. I'll take a look at the magazine this evening when I get home.

 

[Soundguy]

Good post with pictures

 

[Josh Smith]

Interesting Josh, I didn't know the Finns made a "proper" M91. I'll take a look at the magazine this evening when I get home.

Good post with pictures

Thanks Soundguy.

Paul, the Finns started with the M91. They relined the barrels after they wore out, and these became the P-Series. Around the same time, the Civil Guard was replacing barrels with heavier barrels, creating the M24.

This led to further improvements with the M27, M28, and M28/30, and all these improvements are seen in the M39 as a standardized weapon. Of course, they couldn't produce the specialized rifles fast enough, having only around 12 years in which to do it, so the M91 did remain a standard issue weapon, from what I can find.

Most of this is available on 7.62x54.net. I'm not much of an historian; I really like the mechanics of the Mosin-Nagant, and though I own other rifles, the Mosin is my go-to for critters and such when my pistol isn't enough and the .22 would be inappropriate.

Regards,

Josh

 

[Josh Smith]

Interesting Josh, I didn't know the Finns made a "proper" M91. I'll take a look at the magazine this evening when I get home.

I had a link to this in my email this evening. I thought it relevant:

Finnish soldiers near Taipale. The two men in the foreground appear to have older Mosin-Nagant rifles, judging by their front sight blades. Date taken: June 22, 1944.

From 31 Unique World War Two Pictures from the Finnish Wartime Photograph Archive - OutdoorHub .

Those are either M91, P-series, or M24 rifles on the front lines.

Regards,

Josh