Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader

   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #321  
On the basic L-series it is adjusted under the right floorboard where the loader hoses enter the main hydraulic circuit. The relief valve is on the bottom side of block. As far as washers for shims, I prefer stainless steel as they are slightly thinner. I have also been running 2700psi on mine since 2008 with no issues, spec is 2347psi for my particular tractor. Never exceed 3000psi.

Thanks for the info.
Now to narrow the location down a little more... On the bottom of the manifold that's located under the right floorboard there are 2 large bolt heads that stick down. I was under the impression that there was only one large bolt head under there but mine has 2. Which bolt head is the relief valve under? Is it the one closest to the front of the tractor or the one closest to the rear of the tractor?

Shims aren't a problem. I can pick up a few #10 stainless or zinc washers at the hardware.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #322  
Here's a pic of my hydraulic manifold/block. Which of the large bolt heads would the pressure relief valve be under?
 

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   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #323  
It should be the one on the left when looking from the side. It is also the one that hangs down farther.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #324  
It should be the one on the left when looking from the side. It is also the one that hangs down farther.

Thanks for the reply.
Both are even when hanging down.
When you say on the left, are you talking about the one closest to the filter or the one with the coupler on the side?

This kinda reminds me of The Three Stooges when they are all standing around and they all point to the right, which is all different directions because they were all facing different directions. Haha
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #325  
Mine is different than yours, but I am guessing the one with the X107 on the head. The other one looks like it is holding a tube on. First make sure it is fully seated (some dealers over shim and then adjust by setting the depth one the regulator-not good), then pull it loose and see if it drags when afterwards. The one for the pressure regulator will not spin freely.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #326  
Mine is different than yours, but I am guessing the one with the X107 on the head. The other one looks like it is holding a tube on. First make sure it is fully seated (some dealers over shim and then adjust by setting the depth one the regulator-not good), then pull it loose and see if it drags when afterwards. The one for the pressure regulator will not spin freely.

Thanks. I'll try the X107 first. My gauge should be here sometime next week.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #327  
Mine is different than yours, but I am guessing the one with the X107 on the head. The other one looks like it is holding a tube on. First make sure it is fully seated (some dealers over shim and then adjust by setting the depth one the regulator-not good), then pull it loose and see if it drags when afterwards. The one for the pressure regulator will not spin freely.

You were correct on the PRV. It was under the one marked X107.
My pressure reading was right at 2200# and I added 1 - #10 SS washer which brought it up to 2600#.

I'm going to test it after the rain moves on and see how much of a difference there is.

Thanks for your help.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #328  
You were correct on the PRV. It was under the one marked X107.
My pressure reading was right at 2200# and I added 1 - #10 SS washer which brought it up to 2600#.

I'm going to test it after the rain moves on and see how much of a difference there is.

Thanks for your help.

I should be a lot of difference.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #329  
Still haven't got the chance to try it.

Still raining. 7" at last check.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #330  
Here's a pic of my hydraulic manifold/block. Which of the large bolt heads would the pressure relief valve be under?
Remember people, messicks will email you the parts diagram. Very painless, very easy, quick.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #331  
Still haven't got the chance to try it.

Still raining. 7" at last check.

You may need to get some float-tation tires for that tractor over there.:)
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #332  
Well, I tried my hand at this mod over the weekend and figured I would share my results as well. My motive was not even 100% just to increase the lift capacity of my loader. I was also motivated by the desire to try new stuff and learn about things I've never done before. Of course, I couldn't have done it without this forum (along with countless other things I couldn't have done without this forum.

This was the 'before' state at the beginning of the project. You can see the quick coupler and fittings mated up to the pressure gauge. Multiple readings settled in right at 2250psi. A quick tip before you start - obviously you are trying to find the relieve pressure so you'll have to run your system to the max. This may seem obvious to everyone one but me but it's easiest to find relief pressure on the bucket roll function than the raise/lower function. I was doing this in my garage though and didn't have a ton of extra room. I also made pressure measurements at PTO speed.
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This is the 22mm bolt that was removed (under the right foot on my L3700SU). Using the "shop vac in the hydraulic fill hole" tip, I didn't lose a bit of oil while the plug was out and this suction also kept the bolt and spring from falling out even when there were no threads engaged.
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Here is the plug and spring as they first emerge:
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I had ONE spring in my entire garage that was less than half an inch in diameter. And of course I dropped it never to be found again. Crap! I sure as heck didn't want to drive to town just to get a tiny washer but I couldn't find much of anything worthy of making a shim like I needed. I finally found another washer that was about 0.55 in diameter and 1.5mm thick. When's the last time you tried to build a tiny washer out of a tiny washer!? :) What a dang nightmare. Anyway, after some burned fingers and extra time on the bench grinder, I had a reasonably uniform shim/washer.
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Ready to go back together.
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I actually wrote down my new max pressure goal before I started. I have a tendency to get a little 'greeder' or to just push the envelope a little bit more...thus, I had to do something a little extra to keep myself in check. My goal was 2500psi and by some great luck I hit it right on the nose my first try!
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I took it out the next day after church and popped some 3-5" cedars out of the ground. Could I tell a significant difference? Not really, but I'm glad to have the experience under my belt and know that I have a little extra oomph in the system should I need it some day. Hopefully this will help someone else have the confidence to give it a try if they're so inclined.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #333  
Just checked my pressure from the factory and its at 2150PSI. thinking of bumping it up to 2500PSI. should that be ok on a L3901 with a LA525 loader?
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #334  
Just checked my pressure from the factory and its at 2150PSI. thinking of bumping it up to 2500PSI. should that be ok on a L3901 with a LA525 loader?

Spec is like 2450. so 2500 wont hurt anything
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #335  
Spec is like 2450. so 2500 wont hurt anything

Thanks LD1! if they say we are good to 10% over then I should be good to just under 2700psi. and if I use your 1 pound per 1 psi for lift I should gain 350 pounds at 2500psi and 550 pounds if I go to 2700psi. am I thinking in the right direction here?
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #336  
I have had mine at 2650 for a long time and no issues
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #337  
I have had mine at 2650 for a long time and no issues

Thanks! ill probably shoot for that range. get as much as I can out of it safely.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #338  
Here are the McMaster parts I used for determining hydraulic pressure in the loader system, just in case it makes things quicker/easier for anyone:

Item 50925K345 - Compact Extreme Pressure, Steel Thread Fitting, 3/8 Male x 1/4 Female Pipe Size, Hex
Item 95825K82 - Steel ISO-B Hose Coupling, Sleeve-Lock Socket 3/8 Coupling, 3/8 NPTF Female
Item 3846K146 - Multipurpose Gauge, Steel Case, 2-1/2" Dial, 1/4 NPT Bottom, 0-3000PSI (not a fluid dampened gauge)
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #339  
Here are the McMaster parts I used for determining hydraulic pressure in the loader system, just in case it makes things quicker/easier for anyone:

Item 50925K345 - Compact Extreme Pressure, Steel Thread Fitting, 3/8 Male x 1/4 Female Pipe Size, Hex
Item 95825K82 - Steel ISO-B Hose Coupling, Sleeve-Lock Socket 3/8 Coupling, 3/8 NPTF Female
Item 3846K146 - Multipurpose Gauge, Steel Case, 2-1/2" Dial, 1/4 NPT Bottom, 0-3000PSI (not a fluid dampened gauge)

For $6 more we have one that includes a liquid filled 0-5000psi gauge, a 30" hose, and it's assembled ready to go.

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If you just need the ISO7241 "B" Type nipple, we have those for only $6.50.

While I love McMaster Carr for their quality products and fast shipping, they are not always the best source.
 
   / Bump up lift capacity of L3400/LA463 Loader #340  
Thanks! ill probably shoot for that range. get as much as I can out of it safely.

Have my 3901 at 2650 as well, mine was close to yours at the factory a hair more if I remeber correctly. I have a pretty big oak stump on my property that the 3901 could get one side maybe a foot off the ground before the mod. After bumping up to 2650 it still wont lift it entirely but I was able to stand it straight up and flip it end over end to the burn pile. So yea it was a big improvement and so far no problems but only been about 20 hrs since the mod.
 

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