Tractor Sizing How Much Can A Sub Compact Tractor lift?

[94BULLITT]

Why is it that some SCUT owners feel the need to act like their tractor is way more capable than what it is? There have been many members that have been miss led into buying a SCUT by these types of post.

 

[CDennyRun]

Not a very effective post imo glade. Anyone who reads my posts can see your statements of my posts don't match the posts.

And you still . . won't see emotion. By the way . . wasn't it you who were the one running too small a tractor on too big a projects for years ? Projects with 2 or 3 wheels only making contact on projects I wouldn't try . . for years?

What he was talking about is pretty normal for people who have too small of a tractor, have balls, and know their machine. He's not advising that people do this, and made it very clear not to do as he did. It seems like you spin things the way you want them, and don't face the fact that you're off in never never land.

At this point you're simply defending yourself from people telling you not to run (or advise) running your machine beyond what it's rated for. Thanks for not listening.

Chris

 

[gladehound]

Not a very effective post imo glade. Anyone who reads my posts can see your statements of my posts don't match the posts.

And you still . . won't see emotion. By the way . . wasn't it you who were the one running too small a tractor on too big a projects for years ? Projects with 2 or 3 wheels only making contact on projects I wouldn't try . . for years?

I'm "anyone" and I disagree with your statement above.

Yes, I ran a small tractor for years often on 3 or even 2 wheels many times. But I already had over 30 years of operating experience by that point. Every time I mention it I also write that I don't recommend it so that others don't think this is how they should operate. I used the small tractor for 9 years and did a lot of woods work with it and in that 9 year I never tipped, rolled, flipped over backwards or frontwards etc. I also never felt like I was about to because I had a good understanding of where the point of no return was. However, just in case I misjudged, because we are all capable of misjudging at times, I had a full cage of 1/4" structural tubing welded up by a professional drag racing car cage builder as a precaution.

 

[LD1]

Why is it that some SCUT owners feel the need to act like their tractor is way more capable than what it is? There have been many members that have been miss led into buying a SCUT by these types of post.

X2

. It seems like you spin thing the way you want them, and don't face the fact that you're off in never never land.

At this point you're simply defending yourself from people telling you not to run (or advise) running your machine beyond what it's rated for. Thanks for not listening.

Chris

X3

 

[LD1]

Why is it that some SCUT owners feel the need to act like their tractor is way more capable than what it is? There have been many members that have been miss led into buying a SCUT by these types of post.

X2

. It seems like you spin thing the way you want them, and don't face the fact that you're off in never never land.

At this point you're simply defending yourself from people telling you not to run (or advise) running your machine beyond what it's rated for. Thanks for not listening.

Chris

X3

 

[jenkinsph]

Why is it that some SCUT owners feel the need to act like their tractor is way more capable than what it is? There have been many members that have been miss led into buying a SCUT by these types of post.

Roger,
That is a good question, some people are willing to face reality, others are not. For instance you have a subcut and know what it is best suited for and also have the compact to handle the larger jobs. I know you well enough to know that you make good use of each machine and understand each machines limitations. You also take excellent care of your equipment and would not try to find the breaking point. Some other people have to learn the hard way.

 

[jenkinsph]

AxleHub,
Most of us have sought clarity and done what we can to right this thread. Understand it isn't personal really but more important that others are not misdirected by this thread. There are probably 10 guests minimum reading these threads for each member online. A large number of these guests are new to tractors and are trying to read up on the subject prior to signing in and buying a tractor. Most of these forum members are speaking from experience and do not want to mislead the new buyers. We are here to set the record straight for future tractor buyers.

It is apparent to me that the more you post the weaker your argument gets. Please keep posting.

 

[GManBart]

How many times do we read the opinion that "always go bigger than you think"?

What effect does that have on people looking at their 1st tractor? What logic is at play?

People post that, and "tractors shrink when you get them home" because it frequently makes a lot of sense. In every thread I can recall where a newbie is asking for advice, they get a pretty balanced response after a handful of experienced posters reply. In fact, if someone leaves out something important, it's a safe bet someone else will cover it. This almost always includes questions/discussion about intended uses and any requirements that might either limit size (barn door size) or dictate a larger size (say lifting large, round bales).

You're suggesting that someone might ask for advice, and members here will blindly push them into a large machine just because...and that rarely, if ever, happens here. Reality is, if there isn't anything that causes a physical size limitation on the machine, going bigger rarely causes a problem, but going too small often causes a problem.

So, take that, and then look at the really experienced posters in this thread....folks with decades of experience. They're the same people that post in darned near every newbie "what tractor should I buy" thread, and they're all telling you they don't discount the ability of SCUTs, and many of them own one, or have owned one in the past. Those same folks are suggesting that you appear to be defensive about the topic of SCUTs....whether you are, or aren't, it appears that way.

In short, it's highly unlikely that anybody considering a SCUT is going to come here for advice, and have their mind changed to something bigger if it doesn't actually make sense for them.

Absolutely some posters with larger equipment are trying to help . . absolutely and there are some that post here regularly.
But some are trying to dominate the naive or the 1st timers. They want them to choose as they chose now. Maybe its intentional or maybe it isn't but the effect is the same.

Nobody is trying to dominate anybody. I can't recall seeing any of the regular posters suggesting that someone else should pick a tractor based upon their own situation...that's ridiculous. When was the last time you saw a newbie thread where the experienced posters didn't ask "what are you planning to do with it?" if it wasn't already stated?


This thread is actually starting to get insulting towards the folks (not me) with years of history here, and years of experience on tractors. The folks posting in this thread go out of their way to give solid advice to anybody that asks for it. They do a fine job of narrowing down tasks, requirements, machine size, budget, dealer availability, etc, etc, etc.

I don't own a SCUT, and have never owned one, but I'd sure love to have one around, and probably will at some point :thumbsup:

 

[paulfun9]

(copy/paste from an other post)

"Another recent experience. You're going down an incline with something rather substatial in the frl bucket or forks. You're trying to feather the up/down on the fel so you keep it relatvely clear of hitting the ground as you get close to bottom and you notice you're getting closer to ground than you want so you pull back more on the joystick. Time right then for a reality check . . Because you're going slow you're not noticing the ground was getting cliser to the fel load because . . Your rear wheels are lifting"

This surely doesn't sound like the something that would happen if all the rules of load, ballast and technique were followed! You must forgive me if I cant understand why you insist on arguing a point you yourself have proven to be true!


Testing does not trump what is listed in the owners manual as your tests did not include any real values such as the actual weight distribution and how much is placed on each tire at differing angles. You would need 4 individual scales to determine the actual weight distribution and even then the angles would be down right near impossible to cover all the possible combinations one might incur during normal use.

 

[TJP89]

Just so we're on the same point . . You're saying my neighbor's jd 300 series lawnmower blows and plows a 200 foot driveway of WI winter snow and my massey isn't capable of doing the same thing?

Another neighbor with even longer driveway plows with a 500 cc atv . . and you're saying my massey can't do as well???

Another neighbor has a jd 728x lawn mower and plows a similar driveway to mine . . yet uou are saying I can't compare to any of these?

LD1 . . you are proving my.point . . Your statement has no balance (ballast). And to boot . . 12 inches of annual snow in WI? We get snows that deep snd drifts twice that height.

But you wonder why I challenge such silly statements? Even the naive know better than believe you just made a balanced post. And digging dirt ?? If a "dingo" (small miniature rental walk behind skidsteer) can dig dirt and post hole dig and trench . . But my massey can't ??

Where's the mental ballast ld1 ?

Where the **** did he say your massey couldn't do that? I think he would agree that your SCUT could easily do all those things. For someone who says they like to argue logically, your post has a definite lack of it.

How many threads are started here by people who bought too small (or cheap) and need to move up? How many who bought to big and want to move down?