Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no.

   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #81  
Been a long time since I used Mobile, but mobil is what I started with.. One day I decided to call mobil ,and ask what their TBN # was.. They told me they didn't give out that type of info, and That they were always changing their formulation all the time.I would assume to stay competitive in the retail market in Wal Mart ,and auto parts stores.

Funny, they may not give it out over the phone, but the TBN is sure listed on the data sheets for Mobil oil, at least the Delvac versions (I didn't look at the PCMO stuff), right on their website. Like the Delvac 1300 Super shows a TBN of 10.5 and their synthetic Delvac 1 they show 10.1. Looks like who answered the phone wasn't talking with the marketing folks who developed the website information. But Amsoil also is a little hush hush when it comes to discussing the additive package of their oils, just like everyone else is. They may show TBN (which is only one part of the add pack) but they do not list Zinc, Phosphorus, Calcium, Antimony or Moly, Magnesium, etc that makes up a significant portion of the add pack of any oil. The only way to find out what makes up the major components of their add pack is to send in a virgin oil sample to a lab for $20 and have them run analysis on it. Nor does Amsoil give specifics on what blends of base oil they are using. While they tout Group IV PAO, they fail to mention that they also include Group III in many of their oil blends. Not a bad thing, but just an observation in the interest of full disclosure.
 
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   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #82  
Oil is oil to one extent or another. Still, when you live in an icebox like up north it's hard to argue that syrupy Dino gets to those wear parts anywhere near as quickly as synthetic.. That's all the data I need for up North. Plugged in to a block heater or not those surfaces will still mostly be dry when you first thump it over.
The one thing the airplane mechanics all notice is that synthetic runs off surfaces very quickly unlike the old style gooey aviation oil so interior parts lose their corrosion protection faster. I always noticed the dinoav would actually climb a good inch up the oil stick for some reason in cold weather. Wear or corrosion I guess you get to pick your poison.
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #83  
Interesting note.

I have pulled the heads on gasers for years with high mileage to replace head gaskets or valve jobs. With the old dino engines the cylinders were mostly smooth from ring wear.

Just pulled the head on a engine that has had synthetic for the last 150k to replace a head gasket. The cross hatching from honing the cylinders is still there.
Also the valves did not require adjustment. Were still in spec.

Never had that with dino oil.
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #84  
Interesting note.

I have pulled the heads on gasers for years with high mileage to replace head gaskets or valve jobs. With the old dino engines the cylinders were mostly smooth from ring wear.

Just pulled the head on a engine that has had synthetic for the last 150k to replace a head gasket. The cross hatching from honing the cylinders is still there.
Also the valves did not require adjustment. Were still in spec.

Never had that with dino oil.

That was my experience with 100K on the clock. I've never thought about not using synthetic since then, it's all I buy unless I'm breaking in a new set of gears or something. Once the gears are done lapping themselves with the break in oil, out it comes and the synthetic goes in.
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #85  
All VW tdis since 2004 require a specific grade of synthetic, not typically sold over the counter. It says right in the manual that using anything else will void the warranty. They also spec 20,000 km oci's...

RAM ecodiesel is the same way.

This only because of the low ash content, to keep from clogging the dpf, not because of better lubrication.
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #86  
Interesting note.

I have pulled the heads on gasers for years with high mileage to replace head gaskets or valve jobs. With the old dino engines the cylinders were mostly smooth from ring wear.

Just pulled the head on a engine that has had synthetic for the last 150k to replace a head gasket. The cross hatching from honing the cylinders is still there.
Also the valves did not require adjustment. Were still in spec.

Never had that with dino oil.

No way !! copperhead would say it can't be true.. Dino is better than any synthetic on the market... LOL..
Did I mention,, My Cummins went 1 mil. miles without any repairs ???

I suppose you took your million mile turbo apart and had the bearings checked,, Or are we to just take your bionic eyes word for it ? The turbo will still turn with these deposits on the bearings
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #87  
Right. Emissions components are the reason for those. I will concur quite freely that drizler is on target. And that is one area where synthetics do stand out... extreme cold. As for cross hatching, one can give anecdotal evidence easily of it still being prevalent and pronounced even with a conventional or blend. While interesting, 150K is not any kind of real test when it comes to seeing how things are still doing. That is barely even thru half the life cycle of many gas automotive engines. The L96 Vortec 6.0L is one that frequently goes past 300K miles before any issues, even under fleet driver type abuse, and there are many others across the spectrum.

Here is a link to a Ford van engine tear down that turned over 1 million miles on its 5.4L engine. Cross hatch still fully evident and all major components still good enough for further service. The Ford Econoline van that it was in was driven to the site after it had turned over 1 million miles for this engine tear down. To be fair and in interest of full disclosure, these are Schaeffer sponsored videos. But the oil was their 7000 series syn blend and not full synthetic for both engines.

Schaeffer Million Mile Gasoline Engine Teardown - YouTube

And then a million mile Cat C15 engine.

Schaeffer Mfg. Million Mile Diesel Engine Teardown - YouTube

So while there are examples of full synthetics doing exceptional things, there are also many examples of conventionals and blends doing equally as well. Just about every oil maker has some stories / examples or even videos of engines doing well for hundreds of thousands of miles.

Kenmac, why would I have taken the turbo apart at 1 million miles, when it was fully operating at 1.4 million miles when I sold the truck, and it went right to work for the next owner? And turbos have changed from the "old" days. Most of this coking and turbo cool down stuff carried over from the days when babbitt bearings were being used in turbos. That died off over 30 years ago. Turbo technology is much different and the need to go thru elaborate cool downs and such to prevent oil from coking in the turbo is long gone. And modern VG turbos are water cooled as well. And I am sure not interested in tearing down the turbo on my 12.7L S60 engine that has 518K miles on it. Not when it outpaced a lot of newer Cummins and Detroit 15L engines all day long today on the hills, even with having to move a gross weight of 78K lb. And it is doing it on a 10w30 syn blend. And this motor is a factory rebuild that only uses about 2 qts of oil in 20,000 miles.

I never said in any way that conventional base oils are superior to synthetics. I did make mention clearly that only in extreme circumstances do synthetics have any kind of an edge over modern conventional base oils. And most people do not have situations that are in the "extreme". To take that as meaning conventional oils are superior is pretty disingenuous.
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #88  
That conventional oils you use is about as great as that E85 you use LOL..
The only way he's able to to drive his rig xxx miles is because it probably holds 8 gallons of oil.. He has reserve oil.. Had he filled his oil with a quality synthetic.. He could surpass his oil change miles on his dino oil
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #89  
I changed my tractor over to the T6 Rotella last night, and when I started her up afterwards, she didn't sound so angry......

It may just be my ears/mind playing tricks on me, but she really did seem to run happier....
:confused3:
 
   / Synthetic oil worth it? 18k hour yamaha generator says no. #90  
I changed my tractor over to the T6 Rotella last night, and when I started her up afterwards, she didn't sound so angry......

It may just be my ears/mind playing tricks on me, but she really did seem to run happier....
:confused3:

I switched my BX to T6 last year. Runs quieter and starts easier in the winter. No plans to switch back.
 

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