Decisions Decisions.

[s219]

Be sure to give Kioti and LS a look, and Mahindra too.

Deere's compacts are made by Yanmar. So anything coming out of that location in GA was probably crated overseas and just passes through the plant (they normally ship to the dealer crated too). I think you have to get into a 4 series before they are no longer Yanmar, but there are probably more subtleties to the mix than that. I definitely know a bunch of 3 series and all 2 series are Yanmar. Not sure about 1 series (but they are sub-compacts anyhow).

Same goes for Kubota also -- up to a certain size, most of their compacts come crated from Japan and just pass through US facilities enroute to the dealer. The loaders are made in Kubota's US plants, but crated separately. The dealer is the one who assembles them.

I would not write off Kubota -- there is a reason they have over 50% of the compact market. Try working with a local dealer and see what they can offer.

 

[fried1765]

I doubt you could have done that much better down south. The price may have been better but the shipping is astronomical. I know because I'm one of the guys Kubota, JD and New Holland calls to ship new tractors and it cost big money for me to come up there. Personally I don't go north of Baltimore for less than 3 grand. Doesn't matter if only one unit or as many as will fit it cost a minimum of that for me to cross that line. I do go North for less but not North east. Couple that with higher property cost and taxes and I can easily see why NE dealers have to get more for what they sale.

Luckily for me,( in the Northeast) if I want to, I can range quite far with my 3/4T 4x4 and my 14K equipment trailer, for a whole lot less than $3000.
I consider that I could drive round trip to Florida for less than half that $3000.
I am retired, so my time is free!

 

[jeff9366]

Not real thrilled about Kubota anyway. I haul new ones out of the Georgia factory fairly regular and when I deliver there are always nuts and bolts laying on the trailer and usually at least one puddle of hydraulic fluid. If I see where it came from I always point it out to the dealer but they seldom seem to care.

I also haul for JD. They have a huge plant about 20 miles from my home where the build mostly compacts. I never have stuff on the trailer from them.

While I have been very happy with the two new Kubotas I have purchased, this is an interesting perspective. When I was a winery executive, if I had solid information on any wine or packaging problem I got on it, and STAYED on it until the problem was corrected at the winery and customers compensated, if appropriate.

I would be interested in knowing the size of the Deere's you mention. I believe all the Deere/Yanmars are assembled in Mexico, so the tractors you are hauling would probably be of larger size.

 

[Looking4new]

Any particular reason why? I ask because I know me and I can invent all kinds of justifications for something I want but can get by without.

16,900 - 6,000 ( what a aftermarket bh will probable cost you) leaves 10,900 for the tractor and loader. You say you will need the bh later, so it is available right now where it might not be available at this price later. That is the reason I would grab it now. Strike while the iron is hot.
Now don't get me wrong here, although I personally don't have much good to say about JD (I got burned once, but that may have been the operator [not me]), but they do make good stuff.

My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

 

[Cpenn481]

While I have been very happy with the two new Kubotas I have purchased, this is an interesting perspective. When I was a winery executive, if I had solid information on any wine or packaging problem I got on it, and STAYED on it until the problem was corrected at the winery and customers compensated, if appropriate.

I would be interested in knowing the size of the Deere's you mention. I believe all the Deere/Yanmars are assembled in Mexico, so the tractors you are hauling would probably be of larger size.

The Grovetown Ga plant ( think Augusta ) assembles compact and utility tractors. Mostly less than 50hp. The 1025/1026 is made there but I'm sure it isn't the only place they do that. Some may be built in Mexico as well. Everything I haul from there is small. Some in fact fit on the trailer side by side. Kubota on the other hand builds all sizes in Jefferson Ga. ( outside Atlanta ). JD also builds mowers/yard tractors at a plant in Tennessee. They build larger golf course type equipment near Kansas City. And of course they build really big stuff in Moline.

 

[Cpenn481]

Be sure to give Kioti and LS a look, and Mahindra too.

Deere's compacts are made by Yanmar. So anything coming out of that location in GA was probably crated overseas and just passes through the plant (they normally ship to the dealer crated too). I think you have to get into a 4 series before they are no longer Yanmar, but there are probably more subtleties to the mix than that. I definitely know a bunch of 3 series and all 2 series are Yanmar. Not sure about 1 series (but they are sub-compacts anyhow).

Same goes for Kubota also -- up to a certain size, most of their compacts come crated from Japan and just pass through US facilities enroute to the dealer. The loaders are made in Kubota's US plants, but crated separately. The dealer is the one who assembles them.

I would not write off Kubota -- there is a reason they have over 50% of the compact market. Try working with a local dealer and see what they can offer.

Some of this is true some is not. On the Kubota's I haul they come fully assembled and ready to go from the plant. The loaders are built there the rest of the parts come from overseas. No dealer assembly required except on some smaller models. Some are crated and shipped with the wheels and tires in seperate crates. On the JD's I haul the engines come from Yanmar but they don't build the whole tractor like they do for other models. I know front axles and transmission section are built near me but a lot of other parts are shipped in from other places including overseas. It's an interesting process to watch. JD will actually give you a tour of the plant. At least that one. I don't know if they do that everywhere or not. Kubota won't let you go past the loading area but you can see a lot of different functions going on from there.

 

[Cpenn481]

Luckily for me,( in the Northeast) if I want to, I can range quite far with my 3/4T 4x4 and my 14K equipment trailer, for a whole lot less than $3000.
I consider that I could drive round trip to Florida for less than half that $3000.
I am retired, so my time is free!

If I lived in your area I would do the same thing. Luckily for the dealers and customers that high shipping cost usually gets spread out over multiple units and that helps out. We are paid by the manufacture and not the dealer as well but I'm sure that cost is still passed trough down to the ultimate end user.

 

[Cpenn481]

Spoke to the JD dealer yesterday. I liked him a lot but the tractor I called about was gone and he only had new units available. I like the green but I can't justify the price. Another call to Barlow in Ky has gone without return. I'm not writing off Kubota but I am writing off that dealer. I will be back home this weekend but of course it's Easter weekend and being in the Bible Belt many dealers won't be open Friday or Saturday. Taking next week off from the road and plan to visit the local Mahindra, Kubota, LS and Kioti dealers. I think they are all good tractors. The brand/dealer giving me the most tractor for my money within my budget will be the winner. Hopefully I will have the deal done next week and at a minimum have it ordered and on the way. You guys have all been very helpful in this process. Back last August I bought new trucks for my small company and spent 10 times the money on each one than we are talking about spending here and didn't go through the mental anguish I have put myself through on this decision. I would have never thought deciding what tractor to buy for my home would have been so difficult.

 

[brasco426]

Glad to help adding to the confusion lol

 

[dickfoster]

Spoke to the JD dealer yesterday. I liked him a lot but the tractor I called about was gone and he only had new units available. I like the green but I can't justify the price. Another call to Barlow in Ky has gone without return. I'm not writing off Kubota but I am writing off that dealer. I will be back home this weekend but of course it's Easter weekend and being in the Bible Belt many dealers won't be open Friday or Saturday. Taking next week off from the road and plan to visit the local Mahindra, Kubota, LS and Kioti dealers. I think they are all good tractors. The brand/dealer giving me the most tractor for my money within my budget will be the winner. Hopefully I will have the deal done next week and at a minimum have it ordered and on the way. You guys have all been very helpful in this process. Back last August I bought new trucks for my small company and spent 10 times the money on each one than we are talking about spending here and didn't go through the mental anguish I have put myself through on this decision. I would have never thought deciding what tractor to buy for my home would have been so difficult.

Doing anything for the first time is always more difficult. Well maybe except for one thing but that was a long long time ago.

 

[Cpenn481]

Doing anything for the first time is always more difficult. Well maybe except for one thing but that was a long long time ago.

Now that's funny right there!!

 

[Cpenn481]

Boy I really muddied up the waters today. Stopped in Arizona and looked over, sat on and drove the JD 1025 then the LS xj2025 and a Ytm t234. All 25hp and all with a backhoe. They were all nice tractors and all priced within $600 of each other. I'm sure the was haggle room on each. I liked the little JD but those other brands are just plain more tractor for the money. And let's not forget the Branson is on par with each for a little less. There were things about the LS I really liked and likewise the 234 also. I liked the way the hoe detached better on the LS but the 234 had smoother hydraulics, seemed better balanced and I liked the loader control better. Same engine in both tractors and they ran smoother and idle at a much lower rpm than did the Deere. Also on both you could raise and curl up the bucket at the same time but you could not the Deere. Just when I think I got it all figured out I learn something else and find out I don't.

 

[brasco426]

Boy I really muddied up the waters today. Stopped in Arizona and looked over, sat on and drove the JD 1025 then the LS xj2025 and a Ytm t234. All 25hp and all with a backhoe. They were all nice tractors and all priced within $600 of each other. I'm sure the was haggle room on each. I liked the little JD but those other brands are just plain more tractor for the money. And let's not forget the Branson is on par with each for a little less. There were things about the LS I really liked and likewise the 234 also. I liked the way the hoe detached better on the LS but the 234 had smoother hydraulics, seemed better balanced and I liked the loader control better. Same engine in both tractors and they ran smoother and idle at a much lower rpm than did the Deere. Also on both you could raise and curl up the bucket at the same time but you could not the Deere. Just when I think I got it all figured out I learn something else and find out I don't.

Took me around 6 months before I decided. Lots of choices and imo most manufacturers are making excellent equipment. The more you look the harder it gets to decide lol. Good Luck. You'll know when you find the one that fits what you need best.

 

[amaxwell]

Took me around 6 months before I decided. Lots of choices and imo most manufacturers are making excellent equipment. The more you look the harder it gets to decide lol. Good Luck. You'll know when you find the one that fits what you need best.

Lets add more ,do you have a Yanmar dealer close to you? I know they have a plant somewhere in Ga. They will be close to the same tractor as the Deere, but at a lower price.

 

[Cpenn481]

Lets add more ,do you have a Yanmar dealer close to you? I know they have a plant somewhere in Ga. They will be close to the same tractor as the Deere, but at a lower price.

We have Yanmar here and I think they are as good as any other brand but in this area they don't hold their value at all. It's hard to even give one away if you need to. This is farm country and I'm talking real farms over 3000 acres type farm. The big colors are green and orange but heavy on green. Other brands do ok on resale but not Yanmar. I don't know why other than brand prejudice that goes back years.

 

[dickfoster]

We have Yanmar here and I think they are as good as any other brand but in this area they don't hold their value at all. It's hard to even give one away if you need to. This is farm country and I'm talking real farms over 3000 acres type farm. The big colors are green and orange but heavy on green. Other brands do ok on resale but not Yanmar. I don't know why other than brand prejudice that goes back years.

I think Deere counts on that a lot and that's why you get more tractor for the money with other brands. When I looked they wanted much more for much less tractor. The dealer support didn't look to be all that great either. Kubota seems to have pretty much the same attitude but not quite as bad. This is much of the reason why I just bought myself a red tractor. However out this way they all seem to hold their value. Much more so than any car. That's the main reason I bought a new tractor instead of used one. No sense in paying practically new prices for used and not get a new machine with the warranty completely in tact and get exactly what I wanted into the bargain.

 

[AxleHub]

Greetings Cpenn481,



I noticed you talked primarily about kubota and j.d. even though you mentioned you have Massey nearby. Depending on the scut or small cut market items you are bouncing between . . I'd suggest you at least consider the advantages the Massey's offer that are unique.

Here's a one . . two . . combination to consider. Kubota and Massey . . . then small town dealer with big time skills and price.


Massey tractors . . . In the scut line up is the gc1700 series of 4 units 2 that have backhoes and 2 that don't. A unique feature of Massey tlb lineup in scut sizing is they come with BOTH a 3 pt. hitch and backhoe and you don't have to take the 3 pt. off to use the hoe. I compared kubota extensively in the scut size with Masdey and my gc1715 and I found my fel could lift more (rated at 870 lbs at the pins) and my 3 pt could lift 1190 lbs. I like Kubota but for me . . Massey offered more namebrand manufacturer festures and warranty for less money. Everyone has their own opinions And I wanted more room in the seat and floor for winter coats, controls access and physical comfort.

On the small and mid size cut size MAssey has the 1700 series (not to be confusedvwith the gc1700 series) in two categories an E series (economy) and the regular series . . these include a couple frame sizes too. Bunches of models in that whole 1700 series going from 23/4 hp to 54 + hp. The E units are available with out a mid pto as it reduces price but all else is sized the same. . . . You get the drift

Both the scut and cut series of units have a 5 year warranty. If you want to finance but get all the discounts too . . Agco being a finance company has multiple choices beyond, that allows you to classify as a cash price yet low interest options. Additionally an excellent insurance option is available.

I could go on and on but you can check it out without me boring you with details.

Now . . How about a big dealer to consider? How about a good dealer to consider? How about a dealer with good pricing? How about all three? It seems hard to say this with you being in Georgia where a bunch of Massey items come from. . but you might want to consider a tiny town in Wisconsin called Sauk City. Your trucking abilities make the difference.

If you can make thevefgort to contact Barlows . . this might bevas good or better of an opportunity.

This small city houses the biggest dealer I've evet been in . . 5 acres under roof plus plenty outside too. Just the parts and service department have just short of 50 employees I was told just over a week ago. At the same time I heard recently a customer drove from North Carolina to pick up a fully loaded RTV because of price and benefits.

Its called Mc Farlane's and . . oh by the way . . they have been a kubota full line dealer for a long time too as well as Massey. Ask for Brad or Dan in the Sales department and tell em you heard about them from me. They are big time sized and small town friendly.

What's it hurt to give em a call or check them out on the web? Massey choices and Kubota choices and you said you have a Massey dealer near you already. First . . maybe consider Massey whrn considering Kubota . . . second . . . get a competitive price.

P.S. Mc Farlane's started in the early 1900s and makes harrows, steel girders and beams etc.. in another facility separate from thefacility Im talking about at the dealership building. And I think I counted 9 or 10 loading dock doors when I was there recently so handling semi trucks is certainly not an issue. First consider Massey as while considering Kubota . . then this dealer could be a choice to get either.