3500 truck needs CDL?

[RedNeckRacin]

Im in Pa. I was told by dot that if our not making any money as long as your truck and trailer don't go over the 26001 your fine. They only look at 2 things trucks GVWR and trailer GVWR. In my case truck 11,500 trailer 14,000 put me at 25,500 under the 26001. One thing you will need if over 17,000p is a medical card. Know they told me if Im making one penny from moving my stuff around I would Need a CDL. Problem is even single axle truck like the ram 3500 crew long bed GVWR is 12,300, So with the trailer I have I would need to sell them and get new ones and derate them under the 14,000. Kinda of suck the big 3 are upping GVWR.

You are correct sir. Don't forget "for profit" is very broad and can be interpreted to include trophies or racing purses.

 

[LD1]

Yes you can take the test with that setup but there wi be restrictions on your license. I.e. No air brake endorsement. In pa, I heard rumors that due to all the hot shot dually gn setups that there was going to be a fifth wheel restriction as well as an automatic transmission restriction depending on what you took the driving test in.

Seems maybe they are stating to understand how insane it is to require the same license class for a 80k semi, and a 1-ton with a GN.

Would that 5th wheel restriction eliminate them from towing a camper? What if they took the test with a 5th wheel camper?

 

[RedNeckRacin]

No.

The combo only needs to be over 26k. Not just the truck.

If the combo is over 26k, and the trailer is under 10k.....(IE a ford F550 w/19,500gvw and a 7k trailer)....Class B

If the combo is over 26k and the trailer is over 10k.....(IE: 1-ton w/13k gvw and 14k trailer)....class A.

If there is no trailer to tow, then you only worry if the truck alone is over 26k....and if it is ....Class B

We may get this straightened out yet! Now if only all the dam states would agree on things. It would really muddy the water if we threw in some hazmat or fuel tax issues! I don't even claim to have a good grasp on that stuff.

 

[Tomtint]

I have a 16K GVW F450 and 9999 GVW trailers. No CDL needed. However if I pull a 10001 GVW trailer behind a 7k GVW F150... I need a CDL.

 

[LD1]

I have a 16K GVW F450 and 9999 GVW trailers. No CDL needed. However if I pull a 10001 GVW trailer behind a 7k GVW F150... I need a CDL.

WHY. Are you engaging in commerce/towing for profit.

And even if you are......

Looks like Massachusetts follows the fed.

 

[Retiredguy2]

Has anyone following this thread ever had to have their vehicle weighed at the request of a law enforcement officer? Reason I inquire is because my dad worked for the Michigan highway department back during 1962-1967 and much of his job was being a roving state weigh master. He told us kids how much he hated getting the portable scales out of the trunk of his official car to weigh a suspected overweight truck.

 

[DK35vince]

Has anyone following this thread ever had to have their vehicle weighed at the request of a law enforcement officer? Reason I inquire is because my dad worked for the Michigan highway department back during 1962-1967 and much of his job was being a roving state weigh master. He told us kids how much he hated getting the portable scales out of the trunk of his official car to weigh a suspected overweight truck.

Yes, I've been on the portable scales several times.

 

[downsizingnow48]

Only if you go over 26k combined. The CDL weights are the same in every state. Class A is over 26k gross combined with a trailer of more than 10k Class B is over 26k gross and/or with a trailer under 10k In NC, If you have a 12k GVWR truck, and a 12k trailer, you need nothing other than your standard license. Same as all other states

Not in California. Any trailer over 10k need CDL. Unless it is RV then you can tow anything. The equipment and dump trailer dealer I bought my dump trailer from orders in 14k dump trailers derated to 9990lbs just for that reason.

 

[LD1]

Not in California. Any trailer over 10k need CDL. Unless it is RV then you can tow anything. The equipment and dump trailer dealer I bought my dump trailer from orders in 14k dump trailers derated to 9990lbs just for that reason.

You live in a nanny state. Most other states just follow the feds restrictions. Which are exactly as I have stated. I am not gonna look up all 50 states and see if that add additional restrictions on top of feds restrictions.

Here what I can find for CA

A commercial vehicle is a motor vehicle or combination used for hire to transport passengers or property or which:

Has a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more
Is designed, used, or maintained for carrying more than 10 passengers, including the driver
Tows a vehicle or trailer, which has a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or more
Transports hazardous materials, which requires placards
Tows any combination of two trailers or vehicle and trailer

Si it seems that CA lowers the passenger # down from 16 to 10, and throws in that 10k trailer thing....whereas the fed only uses +/-10k in determining between classes.

But in either case.....the way I read the first line in red is the same thing I have been saying. Only need a CDL if working for hire. Yet you say ANY trailer over 10k.........but the way its worded would lead me to believe that it doesnt apply to personal trailers, hauling your personal stuff not for hire.

 

[tcartwri]

You are correct sir. Don't forget "for profit" is very broad and can be interpreted to include trophies or racing purses.

In Ontario they have a blurb stating that if you're hauling any piece of equipment "that is normally used in commerce" they can deem you commercial. I routinely move my tractor between properties and I'm just waiting for that conversation on the side of the road.