Ford F150-I'm Done.

[HHR]

Spotted this Tundra Double Cab 8 foot bed on Saturday.

 

[Patches]

A rust prevention process that was used against rock salt in the 2000s was super susceptible to the new liquid salt process that has quickly been adopted by salt-belt municipalities. The liquid salt eats metals that where the rock salt resistant alive. It isn't uncommon to see mid 2000 Dodge trucks with their fenders rusted through after just a few years. I cannot speak to Toyota trucks because we just don't have them up here in my neck of the woods in sufficient numbers.

I live in what might be called "the rust belt"; Maine. They use all manner of ice treatment here, calcium chloride, magnesium chloride, brine as pretreatments and then lots of rocksalt as the storm progresses. A lot of my 130,000 miles is put on during the winter, trailering north or west to some of the best snowmobiling in the east. There is no discernible rust on the frame rails of the truck; the welded attachment points have surface rust. I can find no significant sheetmetal rust and have the original brake and fuel lines, which look fine. Some friends have Fords and Chevys, albeit older, but with less mileage and have sheetmetal and brake/fuel line issues. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is without a doubt, the best lasting truck I've owned, and I've been licensed for 60 years

 

[oldpilgrim]

Massachusetts is notorious for it's use of salt and salt products on the winter roads. The yuppies here just can't get along without bare roads. I am amazed at how many Tundras I see here, no matter the age, that still look like new. There is no rust on them and the paint looks perfect and shiny. 10 year old trucks look as good as the 5 year old trucks that look as good as the 2 year old trucks.

And they're like the Energizer Bunny... they just keep going and going..............

You naysayers need to open your minds and give them a fair look see.

 

[roadhunter]

My brother has a toyota pickup I believe around a 2007. Still has less than 100k. Last thanksgiving it broke down in Sheridan Wyoming. Some issue that ended up being covered by Toyota but he had to leave it there and my Mom drove him and his wife back to Bozeman and then back to SHeridan to get the truck a few days later.. When he got back he had another check engine light and it turns out there is a crack in the exhaust manifold. Not a major issue so he is going to run it like it is but still frustrating. And he also gets 12-14 MPG most of the time.

I give him lots of chit as his truck is pampered, lives in the garage, never hauls anything, etc.. and mine of the same year has 4x the miles, weighs nearly twice as much, stays outside, pulls heavy loads regularly, running dirt roads all the time, breaks down less, and gets much better mileage.

The only brand I have really never heard of people having issues with is Subaru.

 

[GLyford]

Subarus also rust out here, about as fast as everything else or just slightly faster.

 

[nate57]

For subaru problems, Google Subaru head gasket. In general they are good cars though.

 

[downsizingnow48]

Subaru -- google front axle constant velocity joint. There is a whole industry grown up around DIY replacing them. Often at about 70k.

 

[Mikeeemo]

Spotted this Tundra Double Cab 8 foot bed on Saturday.

I have one, a 2007 model

 

[roadhunter]

Subaru -- google front axle constant velocity joint. There is a whole industry grown up around DIY replacing them. Often at about 70k.

Just going by what I have observed when asking actual subaru owners how they like thier vehicle, I've never owned one but will likely consider one on our next vehicle. I have no doubt they do break down occasionally but people who own them seem to really be loyal and enjoy them from what I have witnessed. Older Toyota pickup (22r) owners are much the same way.

OTOH I have known owners of every brand of pickup, even toyota, who have had what seem to be costly and unexpected repairs and with new technology it seems if anything to be getting worse not better. All these gizmos just make them more complicated to work on and undependable while at the same time it seems they are not really improving fuel economy as much as some of the claims lead you to believe. Not to mention the ridiculous costs of pickups, 50k+ in some cases, these days. Having brake issues like have been discussed is just ridiculous.

I know I wouldn't even consider a Ford ecoboost at this point but I like the naturally aspirated V-8 Fords just fine and the ones I drove have been very nice.

 

[Steve1300]

My 2001 F150 Lariat worked really well and was dependable - except for cylinder coils which started failing around 70k miles - one at a time. I got rid of it only because its tow capability was lower than what I needed. When I traded it in, it was sold before I signed the paper on my replacement truck. Ford makes good trucks, but no truck is perfect for everything. However, when a person wants a specific ability or feature, there is a "perfect" truck for them - unless one wants 50 MPG.

 

[dodge man]

Look in the beds of the Toyota's, thats where I've seen two of them with rust problems. The truck looks solid but it looks to me like where the frame and bed meet is the problem area.

 

[TSO]

Look in the beds of the Toyota's, thats where I've seen two of them with rust problems. The truck looks solid but it looks to me like where the frame and bed meet is the problem area.

If any truck has had THAT issue, it's been Ford SuperDuty trucks, especially late 90's thru 2000's. I've got many friends with that specific issue, cross members rusting.

 

[roadhunter]

My 2001 F150 Lariat worked really well and was dependable - except for cylinder coils which started failing around 70k miles - one at a time. I got rid of it only because its tow capability was lower than what I needed. When I traded it in, it was sold before I signed the paper on my replacement truck. Ford makes good trucks, but no truck is perfect for everything. However, when a person wants a specific ability or feature, there is a "perfect" truck for them - unless one wants 50 MPG.

The old VW's would get 50 mpg.


The modern euro version.


I'd settle for a mid sized pickup that gets a legitimate 30mpg in town and better on the highway. I was planning to look into buying one of the Mahindra trucks if they ever got released here.
http://www.infexia.club/pics/mahindra/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up-01.jpg

 

[Red Horse]

Boy-am I glad I found this thread. Time to sell my Ford stock, And wait till the 700,000 people who Bought F series this year find out!

Oh and my Ecoboost Taurus? Now THAT is a POS. Been back to the dealer once in 83,000 miles- battery failed and I could not believe that a battery in this day and age would fail!

Bottom line-you build 700,000 trucks s year? Guaranteed you will find some vehicles that statistically are just going to have their share of problems.

If Ford has a problem-and this is probably true of GM and FCA as well- they spend too much money paying people to say "no" to warranty adjustments when the Japanese in particular step up to the plate and honor the claim. It would be interesting to see how much money Ford, GM and FCA spend administering their warranty programs-vs say Toyota, Honda etc.

Case in point, neighbor of mine had a Tacoma that he bought new. Got a notice about frame issue so dropped it off at dealer. Dealer calls him up and tells him he can't have truck back. Bottom line he got I think 13,000 on a plain jane Tacoma with I think 80,000 miles and I don't think had EVER been washed! He rewarded Toyota by replacing with a Subaru Forrester!

 

[Btown]

The old VW's would get 50 mpg.
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The modern euro version.
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I'd settle for a mid sized pickup that gets a legitimate 30mpg in town and better on the highway. I was planning to look into buying one of the Mahindra trucks if they ever got released here.
http://www.infexia.club/pics/mahindra/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up/mahindra-scorpio-pick-up-01.jpg

The Mahindra trucks were related around 20-22 mpg highway by the EPA. Not very good. Probably had some part in why they were never brought here.

 

[ClaySlayer]

All brands are great until they break. My last two vehicles have been Fords (2011 F150 w/5.0 & now a 2016 F150 wth 3.5 EB) and at this point I have no reason to change that trend on the next one. Before that I had GMs. Never really had any major problems with either brand.

 

[Red Horse]

All brands are great until they break. My last two vehicles have been Fords (2011 F150 w/5.0 & now a 2016 F150 wth 3.5 EB) and at this point I have no reason to change that trend on the next one. Before that I had GMs. Never really had any major problems with either brand.

Agree with thought-all of them today are much better vehicles than they ever were. I think it boils down to owner loyalty and what you were brought up with. I'm a Ford guy. As a little kid hung out in one of the uncles heavy truck shop. and they talked about what "He" was going to do next-the "He" being Henry II.

Now you look at Toyota and Nissans attempts to break into the big pick up market with let's face it-minimal success. But look at the households today that have nothing but foreign brand cars in the yard. Think kids brought up in those households will have any loyalty to Blue Oval, or Bow tie or Mopar? I'm afraid not.

Now if any of my kids drive in my yard in a 'yota they are out of the will!:laughing:

 

[ovrszd]

Agree with thought-all of them today are much better vehicles than they ever were. I think it boils down to owner loyalty and what you were brought up with. I'm a Ford guy. As a little kid hung out in one of the uncles heavy truck shop. and they talked about what "He" was going to do next-the "He" being Henry II.

Now you look at Toyota and Nissans attempts to break into the big pick up market with let's face it-minimal success. But look at the households today that have nothing but foreign brand cars in the yard. Think kids brought up in those households will have any loyalty to Blue Oval, or Bow tie or Mopar? I'm afraid not.

Now if any of my kids drive in my yard in a 'yota they are out of the will!:laughing:

Well stated.

I think another thing that has affected the truck market is that a very high percentage of the purchases are never used as a "truck". Oh they might go to Home Depot and haul a few boards or a few bags of Quickrete, but never a LOAD of anything and the heaviest thing they'll pull is a camper trailer or a boat. That has allowed Toyota and Nissan to squeeze into the market. I think they build great light trucks as do the Big Three. And this thread is about this type of truck. I can never see myself buying a 1/2T truck. I have no use for one.

 

[TSO]

Well stated.

I think another thing that has affected the truck market is that a very high percentage of the purchases are never used as a "truck". Oh they might go to Home Depot and haul a few boards or a few bags of Quickrete, but never a LOAD of anything and the heaviest thing they'll pull is a camper trailer or a boat. That has allowed Toyota and Nissan to squeeze into the market. I think they build great light trucks as do the Big Three. And this thread is about this type of truck. I can never see myself buying a 1/2T truck. I have no use for one.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean on this post... ?

When the Tundra redesign occurred in 2007, it completely changed the playing field for 1/2 ton trucks. That was the first time a 1/2 ton came standard with 381hp/401tq (or anywhere close to it) and offered a standard 6-spd auto. It was much stronger (for that segment) as a towing vehicle due to that powertrain. It forced Ford to run to the drawing tables and phase out the fairly reliable but underpowered modular engines (4.6 & 5.4... And I had the 5.4 in my 04 F150, it was a dog)...

Since the Tundra's entry, look at the way that the big three changed their powertrains to compete.... And we're all better for it now as consumers.

I agree that most 1/2 ton truck owners don't use their trucks anywhere near their capacity.

Regarding sales numbers... I think it has much more to do with brand loyalty and xenophobia than any other factor. Many people can't even be objective enough to recognize that, for example, the Tundra is designed in Ann Arbor, Mi and built in Texas (formerly Indiana) with as many or more domestic parts content than the other trucks in the segment. I think Toyota's marketing department dropped the ball by not advertising that fact, instead of their overly gratuitous commercials (climbing a circulator ramp with fire shooting everywhere LOL) at the time.

Speaking of gratuitous advertising... This was a pretty eye opening wake up call for the 1/2 ton segment back in 2007 (assuming that the trucks were actually "comparatively equipped" as stated):

Tundra versus the Competition (full version) - YouTube

 

[Shaneard]

I don't care what kind of truck, tractor, bicycle, boat or lawn mower you have they will all have trouble..........someday.