Box Scraper Box Scraper / BoxBlade Choices?

[CADplans]

This is my TSC 6 foot box blade,, that I collapsed the top link support,,,, TWICE !!

The first rebuild, I simply made the steel 1/8" thicker,,, (3/8" to 1/2")
The second rebuild, I made the steel 1/2" wider as well as thicker.
Also, I added the doublers where the lower link pins bolt on,, they bent the second time.

Both rebuilds, I tried to match the dimensions and angle locations.
Both times I collapsed the top link support (the black parts) I was going backwards.
The box hit an obstruction (rock, or stump?), the parts collapsed so easily, I did not know it happened.

When I looked back,,, the box was at a weird angle,,,,

NOW,, I only use the box blade going forward. The box simply jumps up if something is hit.

EDIT!! I just looked at the TSC box blade,,, I may have made the parts a full inch wider!! :confused2:

 

[bcp]

A bent strap, in compression, isn't very strong.

Bruce

 

[jenkinsph]

A bent strap, in compression, isn't very strong.

Bruce

I agree^^^ and when the rippers hang up the rear bent braces would be in compression when traveling forward. rotation about the lower link pins would put a lot of compressive force against the top link. Not a good use for flat bar stock. Welded tubing would be a better choice.

 

[Catman8]

I remember that offer too. Apparently, Catman would rather keep it and b!tch about it than get his money back and go buy something else.

Apparently, If you don't know the whole story maybe you should keep your nose out of it.

 

[CADplans]

A bent strap, in compression, isn't very strong.

Bruce

I agree^^^ and when the rippers hang up the rear bent braces would be in compression when traveling forward. rotation about the lower link pins would put a lot of compressive force against the top link. Not a good use for flat bar stock. Welded tubing would be a better choice.

You can look at the age of my box blade,,, 15 years, at least,,,
Surprisingly,,, they are still built the same.

My box blade does not have more than 20 hours of use,,,
If smaller,, I would use it as a door stop.

I did use it last fall during heavy rain,, I diverted some water back into a ditch,
by simply setting it there,,, it was great for that.

I believe it would be great behind an under-35HP tractor,,,
Everything other than the top link support is MUCH stronger than the 35HP rating.
I use a landplane now.

 

[fried1765]

You can look at the age of my box blade,,, 15 years, at least,,,
Surprisingly,,, they are still built the same.

My box blade does not have more than 20 hours of use,,,
If smaller,, I would use it as a door stop.

I did use it last fall during heavy rain,, I diverted some water back into a ditch,
by simply setting it there,,, it was great for that.

I believe it would be great behind an under-35HP tractor,,,
Everything other than the top link support is MUCH stronger than the 35HP rating.
I use a landplane now.

That is a VERY POORLY DESIGNED box blade!
TSC = Tarter Gate supplier?
I just wonder where they found the engineer who decided that flat stock material was suitable.
Pushing a blade built like that (with flat stock) is like pushing spaghetti.

 

[jenkinsph]

You can look at the age of my box blade,,, 15 years, at least,,,
Surprisingly,,, they are still built the same.

My box blade does not have more than 20 hours of use,,,
If smaller,, I would use it as a door stop.

I did use it last fall during heavy rain,, I diverted some water back into a ditch,
by simply setting it there,,, it was great for that.

I believe it would be great behind an under-35HP tractor,,,
Everything other than the top link support is MUCH stronger than the 35HP rating.
I use a landplane now.

Yes it is an old design that never was any good. I would get rid of it and buy something else. My small Cammond 48 " box blade is a much better design for a low cost unit. I definitely prefer the Woods Gannon industrial box blade I have for the bigger jobs over anything else I have used so far. Cammond copied the better design of the Gannon mast imo, they could have chosen worse.

 

[ovrszd]

A couple quick, easy braces added would multiply it's strength several times over.

 

[tman1020]

A couple quick, easy braces added would multiply it's strength several times over.

That's what I was just thinking also. I had to modify mine slightly to work with my quick hitch. When I did I added some flat plate on the top of the two braces that go to the back of the blade. So far I've been pretty happy with my TSC blade. But I don't have a 40 hp tractor either.

 

[Indiana Larry]

I have the everthing attachments extreme duty and I like it. it is rugged and well made. can't say the same for some of the land pride stuff I have seen. Don't know about Woods.

 

[jenkinsph]

That's what I was just thinking also. I had to modify mine slightly to work with my quick hitch. When I did I added some flat plate on the top of the two braces that go to the back of the blade. So far I've been pretty happy with my TSC blade. But I don't have a 40 hp tractor either.

Do you have a picture of the modifications?

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Apparently, If you don't know the whole story maybe you should keep your nose out of it.

Not so fast. You put the whole sordid tale on this forum for the entire world to see. And then you come on THIS thread and trash EA again. And now other posters should keep their noses out of it? That's not the way it works, amigo.

 

[Catman8]

Not so fast. You put the whole sordid tale on this forum for the entire world to see. And then you come on THIS thread and trash EA again. And now other posters should keep their noses out of it? That's not the way it works, amigo.

Sir, I will kindly and respectfully have to disagree with you.

I was keeping this matter private until EA came on to my thread and made it public.

I was trying to work through these issues with the box scraper with EA trying not to send it back to NC, and costing this company lots of money, and there is nothing wrong with doing that.

Instead of Travis working with us on these problems, he took a defensive posture and he denied that there was any problems except for the A-frame being misaligned.

Just because a company post on a forum that they will refund a customer his money back does not make it true, or that it happened, or is going to happen.

I asked Travis in a email if he was going to replace or send me new blades to replace the defective over drilled blades and his response was that there is nothing wrong with those blades and EA has never had a failure, and if those blades fail we will replace them. My response back was, it's not about a steel structural failure it's
about the blades being over drilled and manufactured improperly and installed improperly. That is the last email communication with EA I had.

After finding some bolts that would work properly with these over drilled blades I installed them and placed the box scraper on a flat surface and then discovered a lot of problems that I can not resolve with shims.

I just sent Travis an email for return authorization so I will see if he responds.

I will not allow EA to pick up this box scraper until my account is credited in full for the cost of the box scraper and the powder coat.

Just think how this whole scenario would of played out in EA's advantage if Travis would of came onto my thread and said WOW, that is messed up. Sir I want to apologize for these problems, all of our box blades don't come out like that, I'm so embarrassed, there is no way that you can fix those problems and we would not want you to even try. I will have that picked up and credit your account for the price and the powder coat.

Instead they took a defensive posture and would not try to work through these problems, they have denied any problems with the defective blades and the warped and misaligned (v), and have only taken responsibility for the A-frame being misaligned.

So Sir, If you were paying attention and read the thread properly you would know that Everything Attachments made this public, NOT me.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/374696-blades-box-blade.html

 

[tman1020]

Do you have a picture of the modifications?

Here you go.

 

[CADplans]

View attachment 499422

Here you go.

The BB is designed to be assembled after delivery,,,
just welding all the joints would make it much stronger,,,

 

[tman1020]

The BB is designed to be assembled after delivery,,, just welding all the joints would make it much stronger,,,

I agree.

 

[fried1765]

View attachment 499422

Here you go.

Is that a crack in the flat stock, just below the head of the bolt being used as a tip link pin?

 

[tman1020]

Is that a crack in the flat stock, just below the head of the bolt being used as a tip link pin?

I see what you are talking about. I don't think so I think it's my bad rattle can paint job I did after I welded the modifications. However I will look at better tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[jenkinsph]

View attachment 499422

Here you go.

Looks good, thanks for the picture.

What I have done is replace the lower bolt with a heavy wall or solid slice of a cat 3 top link pin. Weld it in place to tie the two sides together and provide the correct height for the quick hitch top hook.

 

[rustyshakelford]

Sir, I will kindly and respectfully have to disagree with you.

I was keeping this matter private until EA came on to my thread and made it public.

I was trying to work through these issues with the box scraper with EA trying not to send it back to NC, and costing this company lots of money, and there is nothing wrong with doing that.

Instead of Travis working with us on these problems, he took a defensive posture and he denied that there was any problems except for the A-frame being misaligned.

Just because a company post on a forum that they will refund a customer his money back does not make it true, or that it happened, or is going to happen.

I asked Travis in a email if he was going to replace or send me new blades to replace the defective over drilled blades and his response was that there is nothing wrong with those blades and EA has never had a failure, and if those blades fail we will replace them. My response back was, it's not about a steel structural failure it's
about the blades being over drilled and manufactured improperly and installed improperly. That is the last email communication with EA I had.

After finding some bolts that would work properly with these over drilled blades I installed them and placed the box scraper on a flat surface and then discovered a lot of problems that I can not resolve with shims.

I just sent Travis an email for return authorization so I will see if he responds.

I will not allow EA to pick up this box scraper until my account is credited in full for the cost of the box scraper and the powder coat.

Just think how this whole scenario would of played out in EA's advantage if Travis would of came onto my thread and said WOW, that is messed up. Sir I want to apologize for these problems, all of our box blades don't come out like that, I'm so embarrassed, there is no way that you can fix those problems and we would not want you to even try. I will have that picked up and credit your account for the price and the powder coat.

Instead they took a defensive posture and would not try to work through these problems, they have denied any problems with the defective blades and the warped and misaligned (v), and have only taken responsibility for the A-frame being misaligned.

So Sir, If you were paying attention and read the thread properly you would know that Everything Attachments made this public, NOT me.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/374696-blades-box-blade.html

Hahahaha man I just read this thread and the one you linked. This is hilarious. Some people can never be pleased and would rather find something or someone to spend some much energy on trashing when it's unwarranted. I get their might have been some issues but wanting them to pony up on the powder coating before you'll allow them to get it is funny. Why powder coat in the first place?

Here's my first hand experience with this company!

I broke my compact grapple by using it on a utility grapple by having a tree in it and backup up over and over trying to pull the roots out on a pine. I cracked the mount and bent a hyd cylinder. This is 100% abuse and not any fault of the grapple or manufacturer. I created a thread to show the carnage as everyone love it and EA reached out to me to check if my address was still the same. They sent me out two new cylinder and all the mounts the next day for free saying it should've broken and they changed the design to prevent it from happening again. That's EA service. Bending over backwards to take care of their not so deserving customers.

Brett