Striped out Hydro Drain Plug

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boroxc

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Tractor
B2920
Good day everyone,

About 2 months ago I drained and attempted to replace my hydrostatic fluid and filters on my Kubota B2920. I followed my manuals directions of first opening and draining the main plug on the mid PTO then I went to the other plug on the right side of the rear axle. Well that is where the problems began. When I was removing the plug it seemed like it was just spinning but not backing out.... Hm..... After a while it finally came out and but I noticed a bit of a silvery, shininess to the threads.. I didn't have my reading glasses on and thought nothing of it until I went to reinstall the plug. It won't start in the drain plug? After many failed attempts without my glasses, I went and got them to get a better look.

Well that silvery shininess on the threads were the threads pulled out with the drain plug!!!! OH CHAUTAUQUA!!!! The plug won't start because there were no threads for it to start in on! At this point I realized that the repair was going to require removing my loaded tire (which I've done but its a PITA doing it alone!), and retapping the housing with a new plug (which I've never done). Additionally the tractor was in my driveway at the time and we were forecast for another week of rain again!

Not wanting to screw around with this in the rain I called my local Kubota dealer and asked them if they'd be able to get this fixed for me. The dealer is really a good guy, he's my wife's old neighbor and picked it up the next morning, 2 days later it was back with a new plug and crush washer in it and no leaks. About 2 weeks later it started leaking from the drain plug they "fixed." Thinking it worked it's way loose, I tried tightening it up but it just never felt "snug." If anything it felt like I was about to strip out the repair. The leak was never that much, just a few drops overnight. I put cardboard under it to get a gauge of how much it was leaking and checked the dipstick before using it. But the other day after running it hard dragging logs I found what I consider a significant amount of leakage from the replacement plug (see the picture below).

Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance for any guidance!


Oil Drip.jpeg
Axel drain leak.jpg
 
   / Striped out Hydro Drain Plug #2  
My preference would be to repair it with a Time-Sert or Heli-Coil.
 
   / Striped out Hydro Drain Plug #3  
Use a Dowty Seal or bonded washer, instead of a crush washer.
They'll seal a sump at finger tight!
 
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Thanks for the suggestions! I'm going to try the bonded washer first as I don't want to drain all of the hydro fluid tap and refill. If that fails I'll give the combined method a go. Again thanks for your help!
 
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Well this morning I tried the bonded washer option but it was a failure....:mad: It was a very interesting experiment.... With one hand acting like the little dutch boy with a finger in the dike, I hand only one hand to get the crush washer off and install the bonded washer. Well that didn't go so well..... I couldn't get the crush washer off using only one hand and my attempt to install the bonded washer under it failed as well. For some reason I'm thinking another hand would have been useful!!!

AT this point a bailed on the idea of installing the washer by myself and went to reinstall the drain plug. Well It must not have been taped that well and that must have been the cause of the leak because it is OBVIOUSLY striped now. And trust me I don't torque it very hard at all!

AT this point my thoughts move to Heli-Coil but after looking at tractor frame there is no way I can get in there and drill a straight hole... The drain whole is about 4 inches from the tractor frame and which is lower than the drain plug.

Any suggestions?

And again thanks for all your help!
 
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Well this morning I tried the bonded washer option but it was a failure....:mad: It was a very interesting experiment.... With one hand acting like the little dutch boy with a finger in the dike, I hand only one hand to get the crush washer off and install the bonded washer. Well that didn't go so well..... I couldn't get the crush washer off using only one hand and my attempt to install the bonded washer under it failed as well. For some reason I'm thinking another hand would have been useful!!!

AT this point a bailed on the idea of installing the washer by myself and went to reinstall the drain plug. Well It must not have been taped that well and that must have been the cause of the leak because it is OBVIOUSLY striped now. And trust me I don't torque it very hard at all!

AT this point my thoughts move to Heli-Coil but after looking at tractor frame there is no way I can get in there and drill a straight hole... The drain whole is about 4 inches from the tractor frame and which is lower than the drain plug.

Any suggestions?

And again thanks for all your help!

HAve the dealer fix their "fix"

Brett
 
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Get a Heli-Coil or insert that fits the diameter of the existing hole.

OR

Listen to Brett
 
   / Striped out Hydro Drain Plug #9  
Depends on how far the dealer is away from you, how well you 'get on' with them and your future relationship ("good guy, wife's old neighbour") etc.'

The dealer is likely to refer you to the thread being damaged initially and their "lo-cost' repair effort... blah blah.

Plus, I believe the tractor is now oil-less and still at your residence? You may wish to do the work yourself depending on your level of mechanical ability? So...

It's unlikely that you'll need to 'drill' the hole for the thread-insert. The casting is aluminium so it is quite 'soft' for machining purposes.

There is a desire to be able to re-use the standard drain plug size, so the suggestion from 'airbiscuit' is along the right path.

You can thread the exisiting hole with the Tap for the insert by hand. Use an appropriate-sized spanner in the square end of the Tap and work it 1/4 turn at a time. (It's soft aluminium.) Support the end of the Tap with your free hand's thumb to ensure your Tap runs straight-in.

Fill the flutes in the Tap with grease to catch the swarf. Back the Tap out every 1 - 1&1/2 turns to clean off the swarf and re-grease the flutes. (tedious but effective to stop swarf being pushed into the housing you are working on).

The insert is about 6 threads long so this process won't take all day. Rinse a litre of oil through to flush any possible stray swarf that may have carried inside (Unlikely), install plug & Dowty washer and re-fill oil.

The 'tang' of the insert can possibly be left in-situ if the plug won't contact it (Wind it in far enough to clear the end of the plug) or it can be broken off with long-nosed pliers for guaranteed retrieval.
:wrench:
 
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Maybe the first repair was just re-tap the same thread size, might be able to find a new drain plug that is just a hair over size and re-tap that size.
 

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