Pros and Cons of Kioti

[paulfun9]

Hey coobie, I don't have the pictures anymore but here's the receipt. Not sure why you would think somebody would lie or make something up like that. Hopefully this ease your mind. Also I sent over pictures of the latest issue with the fan chewing its self apartView attachment 556640View attachment 556641 View attachment 556640

Yes I have questions about your post.
Wonder if this has anything to do with the fan? Its a post from you about grill guards that you state its already taken a beating while using the grapple.

"My NX6010 was taking a beating when I was using the root grappler. The hood and front grill are pretty smashed in. I got two pieces of expanded metal and made this. Wish I would have done this when... "


I would probably safely assume like many others who have abused their equipment weather it be from a lack of understanding of the actual working loads or as in my case pushing the machine past its limits that to break both sides you had previously overstressed the unit and like many who do this think the machine should never break. The difference is when A good operator does push it past its limits of design like running a set of rippers on a box blade in frozen ground, or putting extreme side load on a loader or using it as a ram while prying/pushing a stump we don't cry foul we take the responsibility and suck up the experience.
So yes I am calling your post out as I see it, as someone who has abused their machine and would have busted anything they purchased from any manufacturer. I did not however say it wasn't broke but I did and still do question they WHY it broke!

 

[airbiscuit]

Dk35vince I had a small pile of brush. I went to grapple and then I seen hydro oil blowing out. Got out to look and seen the shaft broke and fell out of the cylinder. Then I got back into machine and went to try and move the loader down and the other shaft broke and fell out and the grappler came crashing down. It was a$1000 bill to replace both with no help from dealer or kioti. Sad is the dealer and kioti both admitted they have never seen that. I had the pictures on my old cell. If I can find them I will post them

So, we see that there was a repair bill, so damage obviously happened. That you had to pay $$$ makes it understandable that you would be upset. I think followers of this thread are curious about what caused the fail. Saying you had a small pile of brush is akin to saying you had a small bucket of marshmallows. If it wasn't weight, some other force or flaw, or some law of physics must have caused catastrophic failure.

Misalignment, or pin came out of loader or cylinder?
Something missassembled?
Metal fatigue?
Caught a stump or otherwise jammed it and don't remember?
Bad Karma or didn't live a good and pure life?
Or???

What objectively caused the failure?

I hope your Kioti and you make up and go on to do fun things.

 

[DK35vince]

I have 2119 hours on my DK 35. Its been excellent.
Never gives me any problems.
Works just as tight and smooth as when it was new.

 

[Coyote machine]

I did not hijack a thread. I answered the posters question. Then I had two member try to make it seem like I was lying about my problems. Second, I have contacted kioti a few times and they are unwilling to help period. You are right about the dealer but wrong on kioti willingness to help. People that are getting help are getting it from the dealer and they are paying for stuff out of there pocket not kioti. You ask how I know this because when I called kioti about some of the issues they told me at that time I only had two claims for warranty, I said how is that since I had it repaired 10 time already.

Maybe closely re-read my post. I did not say you had hi-jacked the thread, I advised that doing so would not be advisable. I also suggested you post a new thread in the Kioti owners forum and bring your complaints there to discuss them with people who know better than you do about Kioti's willingness to help people with tractors that seem problematic.
And I'll reiterate for you- I'm NOT wrong about Kioti helping their loyal tractor owners. Since May of 2009 I've posted here 7,512 times, and I definitely have learned almost everything I know about Kioti's and tractors in general.When I'm wrong - I admit it, and apologize when needed.
A brief read of your complaints about your tractor totally rings out as use beyond the ability/ capacity of your machine to do what you expect from it. maybe that's from lack of knowledge or inexperience on your part, or just plain wrong choice re size of the machine to tasks performed.
Either way, your dealer said they had never seen what you brought them as far as the broken condition(s) you go on about.

Anyways I want to apologize to the original poster if you felt like I high jacket your thread. I was being honest in what I said and how I feel about my machine.

Your being what you term honest and expressing your feelings about your machine does not equate to an accurate evaluation of your machine, for numerous reasons, some of which have already been stated by me and several others here who have vast experience with their Kioti tractors.
Your beliefs do NOT make what you say into facts. Those challenging your views know better than to buy into your delusion(s).

 

[HK45]

To answer Paulfun9 question I don't think some cosmetic is abuseing a machine. I did not buy my machine to sit in the garge and never get used. Second I run equiment for excavating everyday so I'm pretty sure I I understand equipment and its limitations. This is my second kioti. I had a bobcat ct450 loader backhoe. Same as a dk45-50. I owned it for 300 some hours. In those hours I had to have a seat switch replaced and the two rear axle half of the machine had to be resealed a few time because they leaked. I had to do that on the nx6010 two not sure if that is a normal thing or not. The backhoe had to have two cylinder replaced because they kept blowing out. Luckily bobcat took care of the backhoe for me after it was out of warranty, and a few other things. All I was saying was I ME MYSELF, NOT ANYBODY ELSE , was saying at this piont and the issue I have had in the past with my bobcat and my nx6010 I feel My machine is a lemon or junk. I also gave kioti another chance. When I went to get my nx6010 my wife told me not to because of the issues I had with the bobcat,but I didn't . I guess I should of said lemon, then maybe some of you guys wouldn't have gotten so upset. But I guess you guys feel it's better not to inform people that there are issues but to lie and tell them they are the best machines in the world and nothing is better and they never break and if they do break its operator error because they are idoits and don't know how to run equipment. I feel like this is a Chevy, ford type conversation God for bit any buddy says anything negative about one or the other you get crucified geez. I'm done with this stupid conversation at this piont. probably best they take this post down . At this point the original poster made his decision on machine.

 

[coobie]

To answer Paulfun9 question I don't think some cosmetic is abuseing a machine. I did not buy my machine to sit in the garge and never get used. Second I run equiment for excavating everyday so I'm pretty sure I I understand equipment and its limitations. This is my second kioti. I had a bobcat ct450 loader backhoe. Same as a dk45-50. I owned it for 300 some hours. In those hours I had to have a seat switch replaced and the two rear axle half of the machine had to be resealed a few time because they leaked. I had to do that on the nx6010 two not sure if that is a normal thing or not. The backhoe had to have two cylinder replaced because they kept blowing out. Luckily bobcat took care of the backhoe for me after it was out of warranty, and a few other things. All I was saying was I ME MYSELF, NOT ANYBODY ELSE , was saying at this piont and the issue I have had in the past with my bobcat and my nx6010 I feel My machine is a lemon or junk. I also gave kioti another chance. When I went to get my nx6010 my wife told me not to because of the issues I had with the bobcat,but I didn't . I guess I should of said lemon, then maybe some of you guys wouldn't have gotten so upset. But I guess you guys feel it's better not to inform people that there are issues but to lie and tell them they are the best machines in the world and nothing is better and they never break and if they do break its operator error because they are idoits and don't know how to run equipment. I feel like this is a Chevy, ford type conversation God for bit any buddy says anything negative about one or the other you get crucified geez. I'm done with this stupid conversation at this piont. probably best they take this post down . At this point the original poster made his decision on machine.

Funny chit..Folks on here tried to help you now they are liars.Keep up the good work.

 

[HK45]

Funny I had other people look at what you posted and how you posted it all three said you were insinuating that I was lying about what happened to my machine. Maybe you didn’t mean it that way but sure reads like that. All I did was show you i wasn’t lying. In the mean time I get hammered for it. Then you have the nerve to say people are helping, who is helping? Maybe I’m reading something wrong. The last few posts pretty much summed up I was an idiot and didn’t now how to run equipment and I’m making up story’s. I’m sorry if your trying to help and I’m getting defensive,but man I must be reading something wrong.

 

[paulfun9]

To answer Paulfun9 question I don't think some cosmetic is abuseing a machine. I did not buy my machine to sit in the garge and never get used. Second I run equiment for excavating everyday so I'm pretty sure I I understand equipment and its limitations. This is my second kioti. I had a bobcat ct450 loader backhoe. Same as a dk45-50. I owned it for 300 some hours. In those hours I had to have a seat switch replaced and the two rear axle half of the machine had to be resealed a few time because they leaked. I had to do that on the nx6010 two not sure if that is a normal thing or not. The backhoe had to have two cylinder replaced because they kept blowing out. Luckily bobcat took care of the backhoe for me after it was out of warranty, and a few other things. All I was saying was I ME MYSELF, NOT ANYBODY ELSE , was saying at this piont and the issue I have had in the past with my bobcat and my nx6010 I feel My machine is a lemon or junk. I also gave kioti another chance. When I went to get my nx6010 my wife told me not to because of the issues I had with the bobcat,but I didn't . I guess I should of said lemon, then maybe some of you guys wouldn't have gotten so upset. But I guess you guys feel it's better not to inform people that there are issues but to lie and tell them they are the best machines in the world and nothing is better and they never break and if they do break its operator error because they are idoits and don't know how to run equipment. I feel like this is a Chevy, ford type conversation God for bit any buddy says anything negative about one or the other you get crucified geez. I'm done with this stupid conversation at this piont. probably best they take this post down . At this point the original poster made his decision on machine.

Sorry but at my age and having run my company as long as I have I still wonder how some of the Operators keep their jobs. I have seen people that have no clue what they are doing to the machine tear things up for a living all the time calling themselves an operator. One of my neighbors is like this and for years he offered to come work for me and I never offered him a job running my equipment because I have seen how he operates when he had borrowed some equipment from his current at the time job for some weekend projects. Before that I wondered why his boss had to turn over his equipment with new so often when Ours lasted 3 times longer and had less repair cost.
So operation everyday isn't going to change my mind. If anything it gives me a better understanding of what possible scenario could have lead to it breaking and exactly where your mistake could have been. The Description of the break tells me more than you realize and without firm proof I simply cant believe that this is not a machine pushed beyond its limits.
I posted first that I only ever broke one loader but what I should have posted was how many broken machines I had to suffer over the years due to operator error, suffered not due to the equipment being faulty but rather the operator sitting behind the controls that called themselves a professional but had no true understanding of the abuse the inflicted upon the machine all the time I have other operators who are more productive because they know when to slow the machine and ease threw a task and avoid down time from breakage and you can always tell the driver by the condition of their machines compared.

 

[coobie]

Funny I had other people look at what you posted and how you posted it all three said you were insinuating that I was lying about what happened to my machine. Maybe you didn’t mean it that way but sure reads like that. All I did was show you i wasn’t lying. In the mean time I get hammered for it. Then you have the nerve to say people are helping, who is helping? Maybe I’m reading something wrong. The last few posts pretty much summed up I was an idiot and didn’t now how to run equipment and I’m making up story’s. I’m sorry if your trying to help and I’m getting defensive,but man I must be reading something wrong.

I assume you can read correct?? Go to post #78 and READ coyote machines post(LAST PARAGRAPH) he STATED he & others would be willing to help you.Instead of being so dang defensive and pissed off READ & LISTEN.

 

[Coyote machine]

Their is no reason on Earth to remove this thread, and TBN doesn't do so anyway. Sometimes a moderator will close a thread as their decision and at their discretion.

I start the chant: where are your proof of 'concept' pics you keep promising. The your old phone excuse is totally lame- why? Because most any phone these days can have everything transferred to a new phone, and are you also telling us you never sent any pics to your computer? You are sending us all your 'proof' from your computer yes? Not from your phone or stone tablet?! :confused2:

I have twice suggested you open your own thread to list your complaints. Have you done so, I highly doubt it, and don't think you will either.

And no one is saying Kiotis don't ever break, or need service, or are the bestest mostest reliable machine on Earth. You're seeing things most likely through beer goggles based on your varied level of use of the English language. Your friends support your delusional thinking; no surprise there, are they tapping the keg at your house or there's?! :drink:

And, amazingly enough you just proved that Kioti DOES help their tractor owners, even after warranty, because when Bobcat was selling their rebadged Kiotis as Bobcat tractors they were essentially the exact same models with the exception of their loader offerings and other attachments.
Daedong of S. Korea is the parent company of both Bobcat tractors and Kioti tractors, and the US reps of both Kioti and Bobcat, though different corporations were selling a Kioti tractor whether white or orange.

All who've posted on this thread know that any brand of tractor can and will from time to time break. The only question that remains is if it breaks due to misuse or defective/poor quality underspecked parts.
Broken loader cylinder(s) are not cosmetic issues, and if you stated in some other thread you broke/dented or otherwise damaged your hood or push-bar from use of your 'grappler'; that sounds like you were abusing your tractor's limits. or could have too big a grapple for your tractor's capacity.

SHOW Pics, start New thread.

 

[prof fate]

maybe for floatation on wet ground,but I doubt 1" will do anything for rollover.
Farmers ahve been tilling hillsides here, across not up/down, for decades with old skinny tired tractors.

Width, or lack of, has benefits - a brush hog or box blade can be smaler (aka cheaper to buy) and be wider than the track of the tractor for one.

MOving to a bigger tractor I have concerns of where I"ll fit or not- I know I'm gonna have issues with a 6' brush hog, i've had issues with ROPS height..

TooRoo, do you think you can get it from dealer with 17.5 tires? One of my concerns is it's width is about 6" less than other rigs. Doesn't seem like mutch but I have uneven ground. And my wife will tell ya, an 1" is everything!

PSI- weight per square inch. Those jacked up pickup with big mudder tires won't move in snow. The old WW2 army jeeps had skinny tires - to get thruough the mud- sink to where it's solid and there is traction.

If you have a soft, wet area then maybe wider is better - less pressure per square inch lets you float over. In snow and rain on roads it's the exact opposite.

My old tractor had skinny turfs on it (and no 4x4 or even locking diff). New tractor is twice the weight and has those features, plus filled R4 tires. I'm curious as to how it will do on wet ground and snow.

talked with a fellow yesterday that has an L48 kubota with R4's and a B32 with turfs - he says the L48, even with backhoe, won't go for crap in the snow - much larger, heavier machine. He's changing it to turfs next year when these tires are done, if not sooner (new tires are not cheap).

My research indicates turfs are better in the snow than R4, but R4 is better in mud and more puncture resistant. Here's hoping I chose well for my conditions!

Forgive me, but can you provide more information on that? I do not understand how a 2.6" increase in tire (traction) width is worse for the weight. You cited better ground pressure, but soil condition would have a direct impact on whether that is a good or bad.

Soft and wet ground would work against a more centralized contact pad.

On dryer ground would a larger pad be a bad thing?

This is my first tractor with industrial tires and the only other real experience I have with a similar although much larger tire is with off road fork lifts. Furthermore, my only real tractor experience has been with Ag tires.

 

[tradosaurus]

Dk35vince I had a small pile of brush. I went to grapple and then I seen hydro oil blowing out. Got out to look and seen the shaft broke and fell out of the cylinder. Then I got back into machine and went to try and move the loader down and the other shaft broke and fell out and the grappler came crashing down. It was a$1000 bill to replace both with no help from dealer or kioti. Sad is the dealer and kioti both admitted they have never seen that. I had the pictures on my old cell. If I can find them I will post them

This is what scares me about the Korean tractors (TYM, LS, Kioti). If a warranty issue arises how willing are these companies to stand by their product and solve the problem? I watched a video of a guy that bought a new LS and after multiple trips to the dealer he barely has a functioning tractor.

 

[K5lwq]

This is what scares me about the Korean tractors (TYM, LS, Kioti). If a warranty issue arises how willing are these companies to stand by their product and solve the problem? I watched a video of a guy that bought a new LS and after multiple trips to the dealer he barely has a functioning tractor.

The internet is full of such stories. Don't get me wrong as you can find useful information, but before internet, people did business with people. My point is, find a dealer you like and trust, and buy a tractor that meets your needs from him. You can have issues no matter the brand. The difference is support after the sale.

 

[coobie]

This is what scares me about the Korean tractors (TYM, LS, Kioti). If a warranty issue arises how willing are these companies to stand by their product and solve the problem? I watched a video of a guy that bought a new LS and after multiple trips to the dealer he barely has a functioning tractor.

Same as John deere,Kubota,New holland.It is NOT just the companies but also your DEALER.

 

[prof fate]

Such stories exist - I had an issue in the 80's with GM, ex wife with GM about a year ago, VW and their emmission issues (and apparently ALL european car companies do the same thing).

Having worked for various dealers over the years a small percentage, very small, of units have issues. It's more the manufacturer regional reps that determine what is done - while at a nissan dealer they authorized (cause they have to pay for it) an extensive teardown of a maxima to find a rattle, turned out a piece of weld was inside a body part behind the dash...**** happens, right?

Then you have people that expect perfection or create their own issues or expect perfection. I run my own business and have folks call with an issue and call back the next day "well???" - it takes a week for me to get youa replacement..I told you that at the initial purchase and when yuo called yesterday..it's been ONE DAY - quit yer bitchin'. Yet they ***** anyway.

Yes, a dealer can make a huge difference..but like insurance, you nevrer really know how it is until you need to use it. Too late then...

This is what scares me about the Korean tractors (TYM, LS, Kioti). If a warranty issue arises how willing are these companies to stand by their product and solve the problem? I watched a video of a guy that bought a new LS and after multiple trips to the dealer he barely has a functioning tractor.

 

[airbiscuit]

Dk35vince I had a small pile of brush. I went to grapple and then I seen hydro oil blowing out. Got out to look and seen the shaft broke and fell out of the cylinder. Then I got back into machine and went to try and move the loader down and the other shaft broke and fell out and the grappler came crashing down. It was a$1000 bill to replace both with no help from dealer or kioti. Sad is the dealer and kioti both admitted they have never seen that. I had the pictures on my old cell. If I can find them I will post them

This is what scares me about the Korean tractors (TYM, LS, Kioti). If a warranty issue arises how willing are these companies to stand by their product and solve the problem? I watched a video of a guy that bought a new LS and after multiple trips to the dealer he barely has a functioning tractor.

When our IT people would help people out, they would often be asked "what was the problem" and they would say "PICNIC". one day, someone asked what "PICNIC" meant. They said "Problem in Chair, Not In Computer"!

Sometimes it is equipment, but sometimes it IS the operator.

 

[Gator6x4]

I think they are junk and no dealer support. I have a nx6010. As we speak its at the dealer for a cab leak and issues with the backhoe. Like always the dealer says they soaked the machine and no leak. I have video of it leaking. Before that both lower front hydraulic cylinder that control the bucket snapped. Both shafts snapped and bucket came crashing down, hydraulic fluid everywhere. The loader was out of warranty and I called and complained but they did nothing and the dealer didn't do anything. Funny thing was they said they never seen that before. List goes on and on. If I would have to do it again I would get a John deer. I think it's a better machine and dealer support is there. Sometimes it just not worth saving a few thousand vs getting a John deer or kobuta

The only time I have seen the rods on the bucket snap was when doing back grading with the Bucket supporting the heavy weight of the tractor. A JD will also break the rods when used in such a manner.

 

[TooRow]

maybe for floatation on wet ground,but I doubt 1" will do anything for rollover.
Farmers ahve been tilling hillsides here, across not up/down, for decades with old skinny tired tractors.

Width, or lack of, has benefits - a brush hog or box blade can be smaler (aka cheaper to buy) and be wider than the track of the tractor for one.

MOving to a bigger tractor I have concerns of where I"ll fit or not- I know I'm gonna have issues with a 6' brush hog, i've had issues with ROPS height..



PSI- weight per square inch. Those jacked up pickup with big mudder tires won't move in snow. The old WW2 army jeeps had skinny tires - to get thruough the mud- sink to where it's solid and there is traction.

If you have a soft, wet area then maybe wider is better - less pressure per square inch lets you float over. In snow and rain on roads it's the exact opposite.

My old tractor had skinny turfs on it (and no 4x4 or even locking diff). New tractor is twice the weight and has those features, plus filled R4 tires. I'm curious as to how it will do on wet ground and snow.

talked with a fellow yesterday that has an L48 kubota with R4's and a B32 with turfs - he says the L48, even with backhoe, won't go for crap in the snow - much larger, heavier machine. He's changing it to turfs next year when these tires are done, if not sooner (new tires are not cheap).

My research indicates turfs are better in the snow than R4, but R4 is better in mud and more puncture resistant. Here's hoping I chose well for my conditions!

I don't have to deal with snow in South Louisiana, so that is why I wanted slightly larger R4's. Keep in mind brands like Kubota and LS offer the tire size I thought I wanted on very similar weight tractors.

I for sure don't want super large mud tires on my tractor.

I was only stating that I wished I could have gotten a slightly wider tire like on other brands. Because I often deal with wet soft ground.

Another poster mentioned that a larger tire would only provide floatation and not traction, I disagree with that in the case of mud i think that almost 5000 lbs (with the loader) is enough weight for an increase of 5.2" of tread width.

Thoughts?

 

[Coyote machine]

The only time I have seen the rods on the bucket snap was when doing back grading with the Bucket supporting the heavy weight of the tractor. A JD will also break the rods when used in such a manner.

The poster you quoted started another thread about his broken loader cylinders. Just about everyone who replied to it stated mostly what you said. His situation, and that of others who abuse their equipment by intent, ignorance or some other reason are still creating aNON-warranty issue by their use and abuse of the machine in question. It's NOT brand related; it IS operator related, end of story. AND once again Kiotis are in no way junk. If an OP beats on them like they are junk, the OP will reap the rewards of such actions. Any brand can break, especially if subjected to improper use by clueless operators.

 

[paulfun9]

This is what scares me about the Korean tractors (TYM, LS, Kioti). If a warranty issue arises how willing are these companies to stand by their product and solve the problem? I watched a video of a guy that bought a new LS and after multiple trips to the dealer he barely has a functioning tractor.

He wasn't talking about a warranty issue not being fixed but rather something that broke after the warranty was over. ALso need to note that many of us with experience and having seen other posts concerning his tractor have some real questions about WHY it broke.

Here is a quote from one of his posts concerning this "The loader was out of warranty and I called and complained but they did nothing "

SO far I haven't heard any complaints with the many Kioti owners around here about not being able to get warrante work done but again I haven't heard of any real issues, just small stuff. My searches before buying a kioti showed that at the time all issues were being addressed with in reason and better than my family was being treated by JD at the time from varied dealers.