Tractor Sizing Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft

   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft
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I assume a SSQA on the FEL is just not listed?

Mechanical SSQA is standard on the l60 series. Good thought I double checked!
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #122  
Got the most updated quote from the Dealer for the L6060. Here are the specs:

1. Base tractor with cab
2. 2 rear remotes
3. Loader 72" bucket
4. Loader 3rd function
5. Backhoe BH92
6. Backhoe Hydraulic Thumb
7. Backhoe Quick attach coupler
8. Backhoe 12" bucket
9. Backhoe 24" bucket
10. Rear wiper
11. Rear lights
12. Engine block heater

Getting pallet forks and box blade with it.

First, am I missing anything or any changes I should make? I do plan on getting KTAC and financing for 60m.

Second, need a price check. About $48k for the tractor R4 tires, with rim guard. BH with hyd thumb and 2 buckets about $14500.

Thanks so much all, if it works out I should take delivery in the next month.

Looks very nice! Good choice on the tires...I see on Kubota's "build your own tractor" site that there is a choice of 4 different loader buckets. Which one did you go with?

For some reason, no FEL bucket comes with chain hooks - but whichever bucket you choose, it will need some chain/rope hooks welded or bolted to the top - unless you plan to do that later. Rather than look at ugly welds on my bucket, I elected to use bolted-on hooks. That also gave me a chance to include a backing plate to spread the stress out on the center hook.
luck,
rscotty
 

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   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #123  
Got the most updated quote from the Dealer for the L6060. Here are the specs:

1. Base tractor with cab
2. 2 rear remotes
3. Loader 72" bucket
4. Loader 3rd function
5. Backhoe BH92
6. Backhoe Hydraulic Thumb
7. Backhoe Quick attach coupler
8. Backhoe 12" bucket
9. Backhoe 24" bucket
10. Rear wiper
11. Rear lights
12. Engine block heater

Getting pallet forks and box blade with it.

First, am I missing anything or any changes I should make? I do plan on getting KTAC and financing for 60m.

Second, need a price check. About $48k for the tractor R4 tires, with rim guard. BH with hyd thumb and 2 buckets about $14500.

Thanks so much all, if it works out I should take delivery in the next month.

Best price I got for L6060 was $61857 with $700 in implement rebates making the price $61157. I spec'd out Cab with air ride seat, rear wiper, rear work lights, side/rear defogger, heavy duty alternator, 2 rear remotes, mid-pto, filled tires, L2296 Heavy Duty bucket w/bolt-on edge, L2265 3rd function valve for grapple, L2262 Hose coupler (quick disconnect 8 port), BH92 w/24" bucket. Sounds like your tractor alone price is better (probably mid-pto and quick disconnect mostly) and your backhoe is more because of the extra bucket and hydraulic thumb add-on. Price seems pretty much there. Did you order?
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #124  
At your elevation I would want a turbocharged engine, which is going to maintain its power.

How would a turbo maintain its power? It can not change the density of the air.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #125  
How would a turbo maintain its power? It can not change the density of the air.

It can regulate its vanes (if VGT) or wastegate to maintain a desired intake air pressure. Basically it can just spin the turbo a little faster to overcome the loss of air density coming in.

Haha, actually, in essence it does exactly what you claim it cannot, change the density of the air entering the engine.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #126  
Turbo pressurizes air intake to the engine.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #127  
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #128  
It can regulate its vanes (if VGT) or wastegate to maintain a desired intake air pressure. Basically it can just spin the turbo a little faster to overcome the loss of air density coming in.

Haha, actually, in essence it does exactly what you claim it cannot, change the density of the air entering the engine.

It can't change the density of the air entering the compressor but it can maintain pressure entering the engine. In other words it will maintain more or less required mass flow of air independently of ambient pressure.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #129  
At altitude the pressure differential across the exhaust turbine is greater since atmospheric pressure is lower. As a result the turbine spins a little faster and compresses a bit more air on the intake side. It does not completely make up for the lower atmospheric pressure at the intake due to turbine losses. But it's a lot closer than naturally aspirated.

Advantages | BorgWarner Turbo Systems
Boosting With Altitude - How Elevation Affects Turbochargers

OK, I can't resist posting about the other side of turbo madness.

Open up any new tractor sales brochure and the sales people really push the "turbo advantage". But is it really an advantage? I do agree with part of it....Yes, like BorgWarner says in the link Eric posted above, the power to weight ratio is better for the turbocharged engine. I'll give them that.

And we know that especially at high altitude we can turbo-charge an engine to largely make up for the power lost if we were using that same engine in its naturally-aspirated form (i.e. no turbo).

Of course we only care about that missing power when we are using the naturally-aspirated motor at full throttle and need more power. Otherwise, you'd just open the throttle a little more and never miss the lack of a turbo. Which leads us down an interesting path.....

There are other ways to solve the loss of power at altutude. In fact the simplest way of all is simply to start with a larger dieel engine in the first place. Power to weight ratio isn't a magic formula. It's a ratio that counts for a lot in race cars and airplanes, but we have tractors. And in our tractor we WANT extra weight. Why not put that extra weight in the form of an engine? Tractors can make good use of weight for more traction, strength, and reliability too. In fact, tractors may be unique in that there is a definite working advantage to the old fashioned heavy diesel featuring high torque at low rpm of the cooler running, slow-turning, quiet, naturally-aspirated diesel engine. As opposed to a smaller, lighter, turbocharged and high-revving diesel engine. Who wants a screamer? Not to speak of the advantage of mechanical simplicity.

And one more thing to think about: There are some engines out there designed with a turbo-charger AND an EGR valve. Well, shucks.....Add a turbo and an EGR and one pretty much negates the other powerwise - especially at high rpm plus the mechanical complication is doubled. How is that an advantage??
Why a turbo AND and EGR? Why would any engine designer want to densify the incoming charge by taking hot corrosive exhaust gases and using a turbo to mix those already-burnt out exhaust gases into the fresh air of the next combustion cycle? Inexpensive pollution control?
rScotty

BTW, I'm not biased...well, not too much. Half of our tractors have turbos. And they are the ones we use every day.
 
   / Tractor buying advice for 47 acres at 8600 ft #130  
To answer the question above
Why would you want a Turbo to Compress the air just to counter act the action with an EGR

Because we have a bunch of MORONS in our Gooberment that feel the need to regulate everything in our lives because they think they know what is good for everyone better than anyone else.

Heavy Diesel Pickup trucks could possibly get 30 MPG if our Gooberment would leave things alone BUT NO they regulate them down to 12 MPG
 

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