Firewood processor project.

   / Firewood processor project. #41  
You havent explained your plans very well, but I will throw in my .02cents anyways. My first suggestion is forget the priority flow controls and divider valves. get yourself a double or even a tripple pump and mount it on a gear box to run off your pto. I will guess you plan on having a conveyor to feed the logs, as well as maybe a conveyor to move the split wood. You can run both off a smaller pump. Depending on what motor you plan on using for your saw, it will need a good amount of flow and pressure to have any real cutting power. This can be ran off the second pump, and the third pump can run the splitter portion. Use a unloader valve to connect the oil supply thru a powerbeyond on the saw CV to feed oil to the splitter cyl to speed up cycle times. This will not effect saw function, but will speed up the splitting cyl. You can set the unloading pressure to where if you need highpressure for splitting, the saw fluid will dump to tank and only the splitting pump is supplying oil to the splitting cyl to reduce hp requirements of your tractor. The control valve for the saw can be connected to a sequence valve so that when the saw is activated, the log clamp will close and the saw lift cyl will extend, lowering the saw into the wood and the saw will start running. One lever working all three functions.

You didnt say or I missed it, what kind of motor do you plan to use for the saw. And to answer one of your questions, you will need a motor spool control valve or your motor wont last long. If you need the saw motor to stop fast, then add a brake valve to the saw motor. For chain speed you dont want to pick a fast running motor, you want to pick a motor that has lots of torque. Bigger motors have more torque than the smaller ones. Use the bigger motor, even tho it requires more oil to get the same speed of the smaller motors. Cutting speed isnt measured in rpms at the motor shaft. Its measured by how fast the chain moves in linear feet persec. This is a factor of chain pitch, sprocket tooth count, and rpms of the sprocket. Your chain speed can be increased simply by going to a larger sprocket. This is why you need the bigger cuin motor with the most torque to saw the wood. I would also forget trying to find a f11 hyd motor. Yes they turn super rpms, but what everybody overlooks is that they need massive amounts of pressure to maintain that speed while cutting. They dont have the torque without that high pressure and will stall in a cut. Yes those motors are used in all kinds of forestry cutting equipment, but those machines usually have 4800-5000psi hyd systems. You start running those kinds of pressures off you 80hp tractor, you are going to run out of hpower. If you insist on using a f11 type motor, I have a new one I will sell you for $500.
 
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#42  
Hi thank you for your 2 cent, I appreciate!

I have explain my project a little bite, mostly the type of wood, the quantity I need to process per year, budget, the kind of processor
"inspire" me . Message # 28. But it's true I have not a plan of the design of the processor yet. I need to do some research still and
need some "2 cent" from people before to go to the drawing table. I will post some detailed plan when I have some.

For now, I think that the first "饕auche" of the processor will not have a saw cylinder, may be. I will operate the saw with an arm. I will may be install
a saw cylinder later and I will sketch my plan with this possibility.

I plan to use a gear motor for the saw. Thank you for the F11 but like you said is not necessary.

Maybe this one:

1.53 cu in Salami 2.5MB25R-R55S3 Hydraulic Motor | High Speed Hydraulic Motors | Hydraulic Motors | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

What do you think?

I plan to build a log infeed convoyer with a belt. I know it's more fragile but it's lighter and less complicated.

But I plan to built a log table like that:

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With roller with teeth, and I like that it's build on a trailer.

The processor is transported with the tractor 3 point.

The pump is not an easy question. My plan is to use 2 pto pumps on the same shaft. because I can't find a tandem pump that is big enough.
Or is very expensive.

Surplus center don't have many pump with tandem option. they only have two pump option with a too small second pump.

Do you have a website that sell triple or double pump like you discribe?

I think that you can mount this kind of pump if you have a long shaft.

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I didn't picture exactly what is your idea about the hydraulic circuit.

Like How can I have 3 actuator with one sequence valve?

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Or maybe the valve of the motor saw have a "button" that, when the saw is lowering the motor start? like in this video at 1min 05sec:

Processeur a bois RR 2�T - YouTube
 

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   / Firewood processor project. #43  
My advice is to forget the hydraulic feed on the saw. Unless you want a slower operation than possible or huge money on hydraulic "intelligence"( pressure sensor and electro-propotional valve). Its not possible to have an efficient operation with just a feed cylinder. It will either be too slow, or it will stall on the 1st knot it will encounter
 
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   / Firewood processor project. #45  
Hello

Greetings to all self-builders.
I also put some pictures of building my own firewood processor.
I hope that will work :).IMG_20190126_102351.jpgIMG_20190127_130332.jpgIMG_20190126_113409.jpgIMG_20190126_111501.jpgIMG_20190126_102411.jpg
 

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#47  
Thanks polemidis for the advice.

this motor have a faster RPM but maybe not enough torque.

�.7 cu in Parker MGG2��3�-BA1A3 Hydraulic Motor | Parker | Brands | www.surpluscenter.com

I will make some calculation later.

For the hydraulic feed saw, what if you have a proportional hydraulic valve and control
the cylinder with the lever of the valve slowly or faster dependably the wood you cut? What do you think?

Also I saw that you use FREECAD for project, I wonder what was the step between
your drawing and the reality? like, did you make a "blueprint" for the measurement?

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Do you have some advice about this part?


Also is someone know what kind of hydraulic symbol is this? :

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VIRX1 Good that you joined the club. :drink:

Do you have some plans? what will be your option? What is the power source of your processor?
Did you have figure out the hydraulic part?
Can you detailed your project? Look like a very good start anyway. :thumbsup:
 
   / Firewood processor project. #48  
No plans, I look at the Internet how the machines work and put them together with my ideas and opportunities
Of course, Youtube is a great help :).
I plan to use the tractor's own hydraulics initially.
Before building the splitter frame, I first tried to start the saw on the tractor. Don't know how long it works, the future will show.
Hüdraulikasae katsetus. - YouTube
Hydraulics valves put in series to use different operations on one pump.
 
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#50  
Cool saw, did you build it? What motor are you using?
 

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