YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel

   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel #51  
Yeah I would just keep the small gear as a spare or sell it if you want. $250 for all those gears does not seem to bad at all to me. I don't think the bull gear will be that hard. It's straight forward if I remember right. Just heavy stuff to deal with. And pullers or presses if I remember 1/4 of what I saw in the process when I read about it. I think they were replacing bearings when I saw it torn down.
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel
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Regarding gear oil. It doesn't state in my manual, at least anywhere I've found the specific weight, type or capacity. It only states for the front. Can I get a way with 90W? I wasn't quite expecting so much fluid when I drained it. I figured 4-5 quarts... It ended up being more like 2.5 gallons! Is there a fill hole or just through the top?
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel #53  
Regarding gear oil. It doesn't state in my manual, at least anywhere I've found the specific weight, type or capacity. It only states for the front. Can I get a way with 90W? I wasn't quite expecting so much fluid when I drained it. I figured 4-5 quarts... It ended up being more like 2.5 gallons! Is there a fill hole or just through the top?
Is this 4wd? I missed or didn't pay attention if there was a D. But yeah front axle is 80w-90. There eshoukd be a fill hole on top somewhere.
 
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Ok I see the title now it's a 240D. You can't look at the title as easy on Tapatalk when your replying.
 
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On these the transmission and the hydraulic system share a common sump.

'UTF', Universal Tractor Fluid, is what's in there. About 4.5 gallons. Back in the day Yanmar specified Deere '303' UTF or equivalent. Autozone, NAPA, and any farm supply has the generic version in 5 gallon pails.

Later spec multigrade UTF is helpful if you are in a climate so cold that 303 needs the 5 minute warmup that Yanmar calls for, otherwise generic 303 is sufficient for these.
 
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On these the transmission and the hydraulic system share a common sump.

'UTF', Universal Tractor Fluid, is what's in there. About 4.5 gallons. Back in the day Yanmar specified Deere '303' UTF or equivalent. Autozone, NAPA, and any farm supply has the generic version in 5 gallon pails.

Later spec multigrade UTF is helpful if you are in a climate so cold that 303 needs the 5 minute warmup that Yanmar calls for, otherwise generic 303 is sufficient for these.

For the sump he is working in (the transmission) your right it is 4 gallons of 303 fluid. Hardly expensive at $30 a 5 gallon bucket. But i think he is talking about the front axle which is 90wt or 80w-90 and that stuff by the quart is like $7 but can be had i think for like $15 a gallon, and not sure what a pail costs.
 
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I'm not touching the front diff for now.

I know the transmission and hydraulics are shared, but is that all tied into the rear assembly or is it separate from that? I thought what came out of the rear end when I drained looked different than that of which I put into the transmission/Hydro. Meaning, I thought after looking at it, that, the final drive section had gear oil (like in a rear end) and the transmission was hydraulic fluid. So, the entire transmission from front to back is all the same fluid? That's what I was asking. I did see in the manual that the transmission called for JD 303@4.0 gallons. I just didn't see it passing thought to the transmission. It appeared that there was a wall between the front and back half.
 
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Yeah all one compartment, rear end and gears all in same place and three point and loader all use that sump.

Some knuckleheads that think they know everything and work on old tractors put 90wt in them cause that's what other tractors used and there to know it all to look it up or ask so they use gear oil. I have even seen a pretty big YouTube name working on one fill it with gear oil. It kind of works except when cold even in the 70s the pump whines cause the fluid is so thick. Pumps are expensive and "303" fluid is cheaper so I see no reason to use the wrong thing?
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel #60  
:dance1:Over the years Yanmar has wavered on what they recommend for the front diff. Looking through their literature from then, Yanmar has recommendations for the FRONT DIFF oil ranging from 90wt gear oil to 30 wt motor oil.
I waver too....and in our machines I tend to go back and forth between 20w50 motor oil and 80w90 gear oil in the 4wd front axle - always at least making sure that the gear oil is GL-4 or GL-5 type. Oddly enough, both the multiweight motor oil and multiweight gear oil are pretty close to the same viscosity at the same temperature.

Even though Yanmar invented and patented that tricky bevel gear driven front axle that most all 4wd tractors use today, I sometimes wonder about their choice of front end oil. I'm not sure that that Yanmar put enough thought into folks using their tractors as 4wd snowplows in cold climates. Although for Ag use and ag climates, I'd agree with Yanmar that it the front axle oil could be either type. What I'd really like for cold weather/high stress on the front axle bevel gears would be a 50W90 GL-5 Gear Oil with an anti-foaming additive. But that's being picky. Truth is, I've not heard of any front axle problems happening when there was any kind of oil in the front axle. The problems come from water in the axle and especially from not getting the water drained out well because it sits down under the oil.

The standard shift tranny, rear end, and hydraulics are a different story. They all share a common sump and oil supply and the kind of oil is important to them....which is kinda crazy since the requirements for the type of oil that each one uses are way different. For the transmission and rear end we want high shear strength at all temperatures where for the hydraulics we don't care so much about shear strength as we do about flow characteristics.

Luckily, a whole lot of today's tractor and heavy equipment industry use that nutty shared sump setup & as a result there have been some really good combo Trans/hydraulic oils developed. On the downside, the good ones sure are expensive oils to buy and that has led to a lot of copycats. There are standards, but no enforcement.

JD 303 used to be the oil everyone pointed to as a standard combo trans/hydraulic oil, but not anymore since it was an archaic mix made from materials no longer available. Today, it is mostly the economy oils that reference JD303 and that might be simply because there is no longer a valid JD303 standard.

So what I use in my own tractors is a trans/hydraulic oil that is sold by a company who manufactures their own combo transmissions & hydraulic systems. That's things like JD HyGard, Allis-Chalmers , Kubota, International Harvester, etc. Right now I'm using JD HyGard in some and New Holland Multi-G 134 in others. All today's combo trans/hydraulic systems are pretty similar mechanically & I figure any company that makes their own trans/hydraulic systems probably has a vested interest in specing an oil that works well in them.

Personally I wouldn't use generic non-name-brand trans/hydraulic fluid from the local cut-rate tractor supply store in my own machines.... but I gotta also say that I know plenty who do and don't know of any problem they've had from doing so.
rScotty
 

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