Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[buickanddeere]

I live downwind of the worlds largest nuclear facility! lol AND shut my phone off at night to prevent jumping out of my bed from those utterly stupid amber alerts!

I knew we lived close by but did not know that we are are neighbours .

 

[Egon]

You had better worry then about every kind of airborne dust , dirt , viruses , bacteria and bugs .

Nothing like living Down Wind of Industrial areas for air particulates. Seems these plumes are even responsible for acid rain far from the point of origin!

 

[Egon]

Don稚 live downhill and down wind of danger .

That is a rather ignorant comment. We live three thousand miles downwind of industrial areas. We get their acid rain!

 

[Gale Hawkins]

China EV Sales Report — Baojun E-Series New #1 In Receding Market | CleanTechnica

In the worlds largest car market it looks BMW and Tesla are getting some traction. $20K-$25K EV's from China and India might find a good market in the USA.

EV battery shortage is a real short term or perhaps long term EV road block in my view. Read that Tesla is currently supplying 40% of the batteries hitting the road today. Still they are going to need to greatly increase production of batteries if they are going to roll out many Model Y, pickups and semis. Buying the Canadian company with the equipment to make lithium batteries that are already in the Germany and China battery production equipment space should be helpful to make Tesla the largest source for EV batteries. There is a shakeout of EV battery makers in China it seems going on currently.

 

[Grumpycat]

Do you own or drive a vehicle which gets 30 MPG or better? If not then where is your moral basis for criticizing those who are doing better than you?

Tesla Model 3 does 50% better than my power hog Model S.

Furthermore only 27% of electricity on the USA power grid came from coal in 2018. Unlike your diesel or gasoline vehicles an EV effortlessly moves from electricity generated by any means. Gasoline and diesel are very precise formulations which engines barely tolerate dilution with ethanol or biodiesel.

If electricity is dirty for an EV, then why is it acceptable to power your computer, TV, and air conditioning?

False . Any electronic injection engine will handle up to 15% ethanol or biodiesel .

You are proving my point. Extraordinary measures were required to make gasoline engines tolerate 10% ethanol. Then by government fiat EPA declared E10 engines may be force-fed E15 over the manufacturers' protest.

Flex-fuel vehicles tolerating E85 make extraordinary measures else why are all gasoline engines not FFV? Huge government incentives to be FFV. "Easy money", if it was as easy as you say.

Many parts used in fuel systems were not ethanol tolerant in decades past. Extraordinary measures were required to restore longevity with ethanol-laced fuels. Even yet there is a big problem with moisture that can not be resolved. E10 is not tolerant of water the way E0 could simply decant the water off the bottom of the tank.

E10 runs leaner than E0. Requires change in jetting. Requires ECU and fuel injection smart enough to dynamically change the mixture as not all E10 contains 10%. Labels state "up to 10%". Same for E85, as little as 70% ethanol may be sold as E85. Extraordinary measures must be taken to detect and compensate.

Same sort of thing for biodiesel, it is "a fuel that will run in a diesel engine", it is not the same as the diesel manufacturers have meet EPA emissions with, have had to learn how to pump and disperse with direct injection. The 2008+ Ford Powerstroke 6.4L was only certified for 5% biodiesel. None prior were certified for any biodiesel. Current 6.7L is rated for B20. But not B100. While an EV can effortlessly use nuclear, coal, solar, hydro, natural gas, oil, ....

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I grew up in coal country. It’s not as dirty as the environmentalist make it out to be. And there are different grades of coal. And most is mined by machines now.

 

[buickanddeere]

You are proving my point. Extraordinary measures were required to make gasoline engines tolerate 10% ethanol. Then by government fiat EPA declared E10 engines may be force-fed E15 over the manufacturers' protest.

Flex-fuel vehicles tolerating E85 make extraordinary measures else why are all gasoline engines not FFV? Huge government incentives to be FFV. "Easy money", if it was as easy as you say.

Many parts used in fuel systems were not ethanol tolerant in decades past. Extraordinary measures were required to restore longevity with ethanol-laced fuels. Even yet there is a big problem with moisture that can not be resolved. E10 is not tolerant of water the way E0 could simply decant the water off the bottom of the tank.

E10 runs leaner than E0. Requires change in jetting. Requires ECU and fuel injection smart enough to dynamically change the mixture as not all E10 contains 10%. Labels state "up to 10%". Same for E85, as little as 70% ethanol may be sold as E85. Extraordinary measures must be taken to detect and compensate.

Same sort of thing for biodiesel, it is "a fuel that will run in a diesel engine", it is not the same as the diesel manufacturers have meet EPA emissions with, have had to learn how to pump and disperse with direct injection. The 2008+ Ford Powerstroke 6.4L was only certified for 5% biodiesel. None prior were certified for any biodiesel. Current 6.7L is rated for B20. But not B100. While an EV can effortlessly use nuclear, coal, solar, hydro, natural gas, oil, ....

Everything is fuel injected. What is this talk about jetting changes.
Water settling out is not a high tech nor difficult problem to address.
Not that I can see any sense to grow corn to fuel vehicles . Algae and such grown on waste land or ponds to manufacture synthetic fuel is an interesting scientific curiosity .

 

[airbiscuit]

Coal is a dinosaur fuel, in that it is about to go extinct. RIP

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Tesla coming to Germany seems to have driven home the fact that European car makers can not develop the technology to power their coming EV demands so the governments are going to try to compete against Tesla as well. Several red flags popped up in my mind as to the likelihood of their success at such a task.

Europe Pushes on With Gigafactory Plan to Rival Tesla

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Coal is a dinosaur fuel, in that it is about to go extinct. RIP

Not going to make steel with solar. Coal will be used for a long time.

 

[buickanddeere]

Coal is a dinosaur fuel, in that it is about to go extinct. RIP

Germany is mining more coal than ever . Canada and Australia exported record amounts of coal last year. Where have you been ?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Not going to make steel with solar. Coal will be used for a long time.

Making steel without coal: Lets talk about coal

Great point buckeyefarmer. It looks like China is the steel maker for the world so they must be dealing the most from the downside of processing coal for coke.

I expect 100 years from now we will be mining some coal and pumping some crude to make gas and diesel. I am not sure we can ever fight a ground war without fossil fuel usage.

Elon Musk has no plans for fossil fuel usage on Mars I expect but it can help him get to Mars.

 

[airbiscuit]

More and more foundries are electric.

 

[airbiscuit]

Germany is mining more coal than ever . Canada and Australia exported record amounts of coal last year. Where have you been ?

If you believe that, invest all your money in dirty coal. After the intense fires, I suspect Australia will be changing its views on climate change.

 

[buickanddeere]

More and more foundries are electric.

Some refining process of steel use electric arc . If you knew how iron and steel is refined . You would understand that coke , lime and iron ore are required .

 

[buickanddeere]

If you believe that, invest all your money in dirty coal. After the intense fires, I suspect Australia will be changing its views on climate change.

The news media dropped coverage of the fires after hundreds of left wing liberal environmentalists were caught committing arson in order to prove climate change .
Wild fires have been mother nature痴 way to clear old growth forest to make way for new much young growth . A successful ecosystem requires regular clearing by fire . Some species won稚 even germinate u TIL exposed to fire .
Mankind has made wild fires worse by preventing numerous small fires and let the fuel load build to unnatural levels . This causes a more intense , hotter and longer duration than what naturally occurs
Humans building in the middle of old growth forests seem to be just as surprised by disasters as the dolts that build on a flood plain .

 

[buickanddeere]

Some refining process of steel use electric arc . If you knew how iron and steel is refined . You would understand that coke , lime and iron ore are required .

How many coal plants were built to replace these obsolete units being scrapped?
As for perfectly functioning Australian coal plants being scrapped . That was a pulley political move supported by morons who thing that wind and solar can provide all the word's power 24/7.
Even check into the hundreds of diesel gen sets that Australia bought to replace coal generation to backup wind and solar. Don't give me any BS either about Tesla batteries being the answer either . Too much $$$, too little capacity and they require power to charge.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Americans willing to give autonomous taxis a go | Autoblog

A long term declining number of new car sales could be a game changer dealership based sales. While Robo Taxis are not a new comcept I think Elon Musk is serious about helping it to become a reality.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Volvo’s New Semi Concept Hints the Future of Autonomous Trucks

 

[California]

The news media dropped coverage of the fires after hundreds of left wing liberal environmentalists were caught committing arson in order to prove climate change .

If you would believe that you would believe anything they tell you at the sources you rely on. Care to name them?