Hesitant about the brand

   / Hesitant about the brand #21  
Kind of the way I feel about JCB. Very forward thinking and innovative, and I would love to have certain pieces of theirs, but market perception is such that it will take it's toll when selling or trading in.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #22  
No such thing as a sure bet. If you like the kioti try running on the lot. Maybe it fits you. I own 3 off brand tractors 2 of them for 15 yrs no issues at all. I believe kapper outdoors has that same Kioti and has lots of you tube videos running it.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #23  
People were also hesitant about Kubota back in the day...

That being said, Kioti was the number 1 seller of tractors up to 52 HP in my country in 2020. Beating European brands like Landini, Deutz, Lamborghini, etc, along with Kubota, NH and so on.

Regarding resale, yes, if you sell a Kubota and an equivalent Kioti, you'll sell the Kioti for less than you would sell the Kubota but on the other hand, you paid a lot less for the Kioti to begin with. It actually ends up being pretty much the same.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #24  
We bought a new LG (branded as Valtra) in 2004. 47hp, cab model, creeper gear, 3 speed PTO, Ansung loader - fantastic little tractor. Put about 100 hours a year on it. LG is now known as LS.

The only reason we replaced it a few months ago was to get more hp, but we never really considered Kubota. When we bought the LG, it out-spec'd Kubota, so this time around we once again looked for a Korean tractor. Kioti and TYM are the most common in this country, but my two immediate neighbours both have Daedong (now Kioti). The nearest Kioti dealer is in the nearest city 40km away, and another mate in the area with a bigger Kioti had good things to say about the dealership, so that was a help in deciding.

In your case, if you're likely to turn over the tractor (so to speak) in a few short years, then resale value/changeover figures come into the equation. I'm sure Kubota/Deere would be easier to re-sell than "one of those Korean ones", however for me, I'm not concerned about resale down the track. In another 16 years, I won't be driving tractors!
 
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Kind of the way I feel about JCB. Very forward thinking and innovative, and I would love to have certain pieces of theirs, but market perception is such that it will take it's toll when selling or trading in.
I agree. I think the JCB skid steer with the side boom and side entry door is awesome. I seriously wanted to try one but was afraid to for that very reason.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #26  
I would go with the VOLVO name before JCB. Made in the same building but with better QC. You see the tracked one arm telehandler?

Never forget one large rental outfit and JCB dealer telling me "They Come Broken"!
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #27  
From one or two things I've read, it might be a good idea to see if a magnet will stick to the rear axle housing before buying any tractor.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #28  
Hypothetical: If you were in the market for a good used tractor of a certain size, and an LS/RK/Kioti/TYM/whatever (Korean) was available for less than a Deere/Kubota, and had similar (or better) specs, what would you be tempted to lay your money on?
There lots more issues into that issue than you mention.
I typically turn my own wrenches, so that access rates low for me, but access to parts and resources is a biggie! If I needed the tractor, but parts access is based on online ordering, hoping it is the right part or even the part ordered is what is shipped and then way for arrival, makes Deere’s or kubota’s dealer network very attractive and possibly worth a few dollars st purchase.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #29  
I had a Kubota L275 from 1980-2001 and it worked perfectly, though all I did was cut 10 cords of firewood each year and landscaped a bit. I hear the 5100 Kubota has numerous troubles, so you can't just depend on any brand. And any decent tractor will likely not lose value unless it's one of those 5100 type tractors.

I had a Kioti DS4500 and it had problems with the kill solenoid. I removed the solenoid and installed a pull cable to stop the engine. Then I upsized to the Kioti RX7320 to dig out stumps and build a mile of woods roads. I love the Kioti dealers (Kubota dealers are arrogant in Canada). The 7320 is a great tractor and it was $44K with no cab (similar Kubota was $54K).

I did take the front end gears out of both Kioti tractors, but I suspect this would have happened with any tractor when lifting 2 tons of force at the front end loader and pushing in low gear. This extreme force drives the front agriculture tires into the ground and something has to give with those deep treads. I work more patiently now and dig around the stump first. The Kioti just took out a 2' white pine stump with no problem. It also dug a 2' deep ditch 400 feet long through tough virgin ground with no effort.

If you do get the 7320 it comes stock with a self-leveling bucket. I would have preferred a standard bucket because I have 4' forks that attach to the bucket with one pin for each fork. This allows one to drop the forks in the woods, do some FEL work and then pop the fork tines back on to bring home a cord of 12' logs on the forks. However, the self-leveling bucket changes the angle of the forks as the bucket goes down. Start the forks down at a 60° angle and they tilt up as the bucket goes down. Also, the self-leveling bucket lip has more up/down movement than the standard bucket because the extra linkage for the self-level allows a little more movement, and when cutting off 3" of soil the bucket lead edge angle is critical. Don't get me wrong: it still works well, but I would prefer the standard bucket.

Two years ago I lowered a woods road 2' to flatten a thousand-foot section of road. With a 7' box drag and the front bucket both digging till full, this worked like a charm. Dump front the loader while driving forward and then raising the box drag to release its load while leveling both loads. The rear tires are loaded and the 7320 has unbelievable traction.

My tractor shed has an 8' high door, so I saved $10K by building a low height tractor cab ($1000) that drives right into the 8' shed (the factory cab is almost 9' high). I leave the side door off most of the time to allow easy in/out when cutting wood. It gets down below freezing most of the winter here, but you have to dress warm anyway so the door is not missed. Also, with the door off, the windows don't fog at all when pushing snow.

One thing that Kioti does is drive the front wheels (in 4WD) 7% faster than the rear wheels. This allows for easy steering when turning, but you can tell the Kioti is working a bit more in 4WD than a Kubota that run the front wheels only 3% faster. The 7320 has an electromagnet clutch, so it's a simple fix to only engage 4WD when on slippery ground, which really should be done with any 4WD tractor.

The 7320 rear ag tires are 18" wide, so they carry up well in snow. It will drive through 2' of snow and is barely pushing any snow with the front axle. There is a lot to love about this Kioti tractor, not least of which is the down-to-earth dealerships. The 7320 engine has a great pollution control system also. If you keep your RPM at 1500 or above you may never have to do a manual regen. It is fuel efficient and starts at any temperature above freezing without the glow-plug. It starts without a block heater at 0°F with no engine smoke.

Would I buy this tractor again - definitely!
 

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   / Hesitant about the brand #30  
Thanks. Getting back what I paid isn’t my goal. I just don’t want a bloodbath at trade time because knowing me no matter how much I like the tractor I will want to trade down the road.

To me anything with an engine should lose value over time. Oddly it seems certain brands of tractors lose very little and may even gain in value.
Why not get a machine you just plan to keep for a really long time and use it the rest of your life. I have a 1986 full size JD Utility Tractor, 4x4 That has around 6200 hrs on it. Has no leaks, everything works as it was designed to and is far more tractor than most new ones I see. Mine weighs about 8,500 lbs with loaded tires and FEL + (1 rear implement) and it’s like a bulldozer. It is a beast without being overly big for my small farm. 65hp 4-cyl. diesel. I have a 6’ marerials bucket and a 7’ rock bucket as well as a lot of other implements. I have no intention of ever selling it, so I don’t worry about re-sale value. Tractors will last a very long time if they are maintained and kept indoors. I would not fall for “you need a new tractor” every 5 yrs. Just buy the one you need. If you want newer later on, get an additional one that meets your new requirements. I can almost assure you that unless you have a pretty big operation you won’t need more than 2.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #31  
I did not purchase my 2012 kioti tractor with the notion of trading it in every 5-8 years I will keep for years to come.If you are looking at trading tractors like cars every few years then buy Kubota or JD.I own Kioti,JD and Kubota products and can say my Kioti is JUST AS DEPENDABLE as JD & kubota for less $$ spent.How is this for example I recently purchased a 2021 Kubota RTV 1100c for $26,500 bucks a comparable John Deere 865R gator was $37,000>did not take me long to figure it out purchased the Kubota.The decision is yours.
 
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   / Hesitant about the brand #32  
The quality of the kioti rests with your local dealer. If they're assembled properly and your dealer is reliable and courteous then you should consider it. I've had terrible experiences with kioti and know others in my area with the same. They are a step lower in build quality to the main players but better than an ls or Branson.
Parts prices are just as high if not higher.
I wouldn't buy one for serious farming.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #33  
The quality of the kioti rests with your local dealer. If they're assembled properly and your dealer is reliable and courteous then you should consider it. I've had terrible experiences with kioti and know others in my area with the same. They are a step lower in build quality to the main players but better than an ls or Branson.
Parts prices are just as high if not higher.
I wouldn't buy one for serious farming.
Now that is funny.POST YOUR FACTS.
 
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   / Hesitant about the brand #34  
I am a serious farmer and I use a 2019 Kioti DK4210SE CAB within my operations.

Somehow I was emailed this thread topic. I've read multiple posts of this thread, but no where near the now 4 pages. Below is my input to this topic.

Daedong opened a Kioti plant in Wendell NC, basically Wilson, NC. I'm very glad they did. I am Tuscarora, originally from Wilson County, and I can tell you the area needed the jobs at the plant and all of the supporting businesses. I bought Kioti for the amount of tractor and features I got for the money, plus Daedong has a very good rep. I am happy with my purchase. I purchased from a dealer in another state for about $5,000 less than what my nearest dealer said was the bottom price. Don't be afraid to travel, if you can and if the price is worth the drive. I have done my due diligence and believe if I don't run the hours up too bad and keep it sheltered, that it will indeed sell for higher than my purchase price.

However, I would hope, for the sake of the NC plant, that Kioti would secret shop their dealers and weed out the ones below the bar. Twice I took my tractor to my nearest dealer and the owner was dishonest and underhanded. They do not know that I know. I just don't go there and I order from a dealer 60 miles past my nearest dealer. My nearest dealership is the type of place that I would imagine Kioti would not want to be associated. I hope, for the future value of my tractor, that Kioti demand better dealers.

If anyone from Kioti reads these threads about Kioti: "PARKER'S" in Wilson is a great business. The one here in Wisconsin is NOT!!
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #35  
The quality of the kioti rests with your local dealer. If they're assembled properly and your dealer is reliable and courteous then you should consider it. I've had terrible experiences with kioti and know others in my area with the same. They are a step lower in build quality to the main players but better than an ls or Branson.
Parts prices are just as high if not higher.
I wouldn't buy one for serious farming.
Have you owned an LS, or a Branson? My LS has been flawless... I know people that have Kubota and JD (neighbors)... I can work circles around them... out lift, out dig their bigger machines...

I also know people that have LS tractors and have some issues... along with the Kub, and JD owners.

When I was shopping, I was at a JD dealership and he was bragging about how busy his service dept was..... I asked him why there was so many broken down tractors... he stuttered and couldn't answer...

I would bet my LS metal hood and fenders will be around longer than the JD plastic ones....

I would buy a Kioti in a heartbeat.... good quality machines. They can compete easily with JD and Kubota. Especially for the price!
 
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#36  
No such thing as a sure bet. If you like the kioti try running on the lot. Maybe it fits you. I own 3 off brand tractors 2 of them for 15 yrs no issues at all. I believe kapper outdoors has that same Kioti and has lots of you tube videos running it.

I watch Kapper’s videos and enjoy them but his opinions on tractors are suspect to me. Whatever he happens to have at the moment is the best thing around. When he had his 6010 he was all hyping up Kioti. Then he got the Branson and was talking about how much better Branson was. Now he is back to Kioti and his story is how much better it is than the Branson. I don’t think he is a bad guy or that he is getting kickbacks from these manufacturers or anything I think it is just human nature to talk up whatever it is that you own. If you read virtually any advice thread on the internet they are filled with people talking about what they have and how good it is.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #37  
My opinion is, they are all good until you need a dealer's service (not that they all need that at some time because they don't), but then you'll soon find out how good (or bad) the dealer is. That applies to all brands. In fact that applies to everything mechanical.
 
   / Hesitant about the brand #38  
The quality of the kioti rests with your local dealer. If they're assembled properly and your dealer is reliable and courteous then you should consider it. I've had terrible experiences with kioti and know others in my area with the same. They are a step lower in build quality to the main players but better than an ls or Branson.
Parts prices are just as high if not higher.
I wouldn't buy one for serious farming.
The Kioti dealer I went to was assembling tractors, I didn't buy from him because his quote was way off Bobcat for the same tractor. I learned from my Bobcat dealer that they don't assemble at the dealerships, they are delivered from Bobcat completely ready for delivery to customer. Perhaps a quality control measure, also maybe a way to save cost which allowed them to quote same tractor cheaper.

EDIT: I just looked at the first post again and see Op is looking for 73hp so Bobcat isn't an option as they top out at 58hp for now. This is still valid advice for others if they are worried about quality of specific dealerships assembling Kiotis.
 
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   / Hesitant about the brand #39  
When I was shopping, I was at a JD dealership and he was bragging about how busy his service dept was..... I asked him why there was so many broken down tractors... he stuttered and couldn't answer...
That's hilarious, pretty poor salesman to fall into that trap. What a dumb thing to brag about.

Have you owned an LS, or a Branson? My LS has been flawless... I know people that have Kubota and JD (neighbors)... I can work circles around them... out lift, out dig their bigger machines...
A co-worker is looking at a Kubota MX5400, he has 10acre of hay on his residential property in south Texas that he pays someone else to harvest at the moment. He is looking to run as big equipment as possible on the back, I pointed out that the Equivalent sized Bobcat had a 3pt hitch that lifts 50% more weight and includes a rear remote and draft control as standard. I also can't help but think a white roof on a tractor cab in south Texas is a good idea!
 
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#40  
Well looks like I am a Kioti owner. Found a deal on a used 7320 power shuttle cab I couldn’t pass up. 200 hour machine that still had the plastic on the seats. Guy never used the loader just did some shredding with it. Got it for 12k less than a new one. At that price I couldn’t pass it up and I think I will come out ok if down the road I decide to sell.
 

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