Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes?

   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #81  
A Kubota M5040 with a hydraulic power shuttle would be a nice tractor for owners property description.

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50HP, 4 cylinder, hydraulic shuttle, cab, 4wd, loader, No DPF.
run about $30-35k for a used one.
 
   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #82  
If there's no/barely-any pavement to drive on, chains can make up slightly for lack of 4WD or for better tires for a task or conditions. I've had R-1s, R-3s and now have R4s on all but the 2WD Terramite's OEM R1s. IMO tire choice means little when grading, also a Box Blade is a prime example of where weight and traction is most needed. ('nother 6" or of width/stability, same/similar fuel use, ...)

To use a particular SCUT/CUT for grading (20yrs, 550') I've found all my CUTs (4WD) barely adequate with the BB 1/4-1/3 full. (~2500 lbs bare wt w/o FEL or loaded tires, weight in bucket, etc) I would happily replace any of my three with Kioti's 2610 or one of the many 'catch up' newer 'non-tier' 25hp competitors (de-tuned LT-duty 30-35 hp-class :cool:) for any/all work I do. (grapples, 60" flail. LR, BB, blade, & tiller.) A SCUT may take less space to park, but with less weight/traction and nearly 25hp spinning all four is more likely more often. btw, for bush hog or snow blower w/<25hp I'd use 48" stuff & IMO 'clearing tire path' is highly overrated.

My most enthusiastic recommendation is that a buyer avoid a 2-range final drive, ESP with HST, regardless of hp. The one time I settled for that ('06 Case/IH DX26 w/std bucket does spreading/grading, forget moving snow any way imaginable) I got everything else feature-wise, but there's so much shifting between low & high because there's no 'med' range.
 
   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #84  
Post #81 -- the horse was dead 20 posts ago but I'll contribute to draggin it out some more I guess...
Mo1 and I could go off in separate room somewhere and talk for hours I'm sure. I never said the big old 2WDs were useless.
1) Pound for pound you cannot pull as much with a 2WD as you can with a 4wd. Period. The physics is obvious. No you cannot fairly compare a 12,000lb 2wd with a 4000lb compact, etc. for pulling. If you need more pulling power, buy a heavier 4WD which does not need to be as heavy as the 2WD to pull the same load. Sure, if the OP wants to he can go buy an old 2WD tractor over 12,000 lbs and probably do most of his work. He will regret it. Picture him putting chains on the rear of the poor old thing at the first big snow storm and then finding out he can only steer with wheel brakes. Meanwhile no FEL and no cab (though I guess the OP does not care about a cab.)
2) I'm 78. The tractor I drove at age 12 (and still drive once in a while for special jobs) was a 2WD MH Pacer. Yes, I broke the front verticle wheel support/axle off it hitting a ditch. No,I have never broken any of the front axles or related parts on a John Deere 4800, Massey Ferguson 2660, 3 Kubota B2150s and a BX2200 I owned -- all 4WD. I have gotten stuck with every single one of them in 2WD mode and had to shift to 4WD to get out of the often trivial jam.
3) The turning radius on the bevel gear FWD machines (e.g. JD, Kubota, Massey, New Holland, etc. all have them) is just as good as the 2WD models. Only the larger tractors (larger than this OP wants by far) use U-joints at the front wheels which limit turning radius.
4) So far I've never had a leaking front axle seal on any of the 6 4WD tractors in 3 brands that I've had.
5) Loaders can be made to fit a horse I suppose. The Amish can do things that amaze me. But the truth is the older 2WD large tractors suffer from lack of available loaders. The OP probably does not wish to go into fabrication shops to try to get some non-standard loader to work. The OP would be flat crazy not to get a machine with a good standard FEL.
6) Mo1 and I agree on one thing: a BX is too small for what we know of this man's needs.
 
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   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #85  
Thus far i've seen enough videos of 25hp subcompacts getting the job done successfully that the next rational stage in the process is to learn when/how/why a 25hp scut would be insufficient. The general feedback thus far seems to be buy oversized so you don't regret it, but that's a rather wasteful approach in my eyes. I'd much rather discuss, debate, and logically reason though the data to determine the most optimized result.

I'll still be continuing to research before making a purchase, but i was hoping the forum approach would help to offer some real life data and insight that I wasn't able to glean from watching youtube.

Does anyone happen to have any real life experience with trying to use a subCompact to do their box blade work? The companies seem to make plenty of these smaller tractors as well as the smaller 4' box blades to go with them. Surely someone out there is using them?
Thery'll be no changing yout mind. Spend $$$$$ buying your SCUT with its tiny tires. A SCUT is better than no tractor at all, but it is not optimal for what you will be doing. Have fun spinning your wheels.
 
   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #86  
   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #87  
Post #81 -- the horse was dead 20 posts ago but I'll contribute to draggin it out some more I guess...
Mo1 and I could go off in separate room somewhere and talk for hours I'm sure. I never said the big old 2WDs were useless.
1) Pound for pound you cannot pull as much with a 2WD as you can with a 4wd. Period. The physics is obvious. No you cannot fairly compare a 12,000lb 2wd with a 4000lb compact, etc. for pulling. If you need more pulling power, buy a heavier 4WD which does not need to be as heavy as the 2WD to pull the same load. Sure, if the OP wants to he can go buy an old 2WD tractor over 12,000 lbs and probably do most of his work. He will regret it. Picture him putting chains on the rear of the poor old thing at the first big snow storm and then finding out he can only steer with wheel brakes. Meanwhile no FEL and no cab (though I guess the OP does not care about a cab.)
2) I'm 78. The tractor I drove at age 12 (and still drive once in a while for special jobs) was a 2WD MH Pacer. Yes, I broke the front verticle wheel support/axle off it hitting a ditch. No,I have never broken any of the front axles or related parts on a John Deere 4800, Massey Ferguson 2660, 3 Kubota B2150s and a BX2200 I owned -- all 4WD. I have gotten stuck with every single one of them in 2WD mode and had to shift to 4WD to get out of the often trivial jam.
3) The turning radius on the bevel gear FWD machines (e.g. JD, Kubota, Massey, New Holland, etc. all have them) is just as good as the 2WD models. Only the larger tractors (larger than this OP wants by far) use U-joints at the front wheels which limit turning radius.
4) So far I've never had a leaking front axle seal on any of the 6 4WD tractors in 3 brands that I've had.
5) Loaders can be made to fit a horse I suppose. The Amish can do things that amaze me. But the truth is the older 2WD large tractors suffer from lack of available loaders. The OP probably does not wish to go into fabrication shops to try to get some non-standard loader to work. The OP would be flat crazy not to get a machine with a good standard FEL.
6) Mo1 and I agree on one thing: a BX is too small for what we know of this man's needs.

A 2wd doesn't need to weigh 12,000 pounds to work good.
This 574 has no iron or tire fill, and is handling a 10 foot blade.
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Under 6000 pounds pushing a 10 ft blade and moving lots of snow,
yes I do run very good chains which can be easily installed.

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Do I push snow up my steep driveway, nope.
I plow down, drive up and plow down again.

Is it the best solution, no.
I have a much newer 4wd with a cab now but I used 2wd's for almost 20 years on my driveway,
with a 26% grade.
 
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   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #88  
Say LouNY -- trying to view your attchments it tells me I do not have authorization to see them. Maybe need to debug how they are inserted/attached? See the little icon just to the right of the smilie face icon in the top row? I usually click on that and follow directions and the images show without having to be separately opened.
 
   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #89  
That is how I do it also, I had dropped them on and resized them after I posted originally I went back and I couldn't open them either.
So I edited it and reloaded them.
 
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   / Min tractor size for repairing long gravel driveway with potholes? #90  
Kubota LX2610SU - Same hp - a lot more capability than a BX

 

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