Another confused first timer

   / Another confused first timer #61  
Too bad you posted this late AND you didn't want to travel to NY. A friend, who is moving, just sold his Mahindra Max for $16,500. 24hp,backhoe, rear blade, box scraper and mower deck. It was 7vuears old but only 100 hours on it. He never used anything bit the FEL for moving snow. It sold in an hour from when he Craigslisted it. It was a steal
 
   / Another confused first timer #62  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
You can get a JD1025R with the attachments you want for what you are willing to spend. I have one with 60" MMM. The 60" has Thicker steel than the 54" or 72" and thicker than the competition. I use it on some pretty rough areas. It also does a great job on the lawn around the house. I have a 3046R I use for all my heavy work & the 1025 tills, mows hauls firewood and general yard & garden work. You get what you pay for.
 
   / Another confused first timer #63  
Local guy here, I can share a bit. I’m near Prescott Valley and I spend a lot of time in the Camp Verde/Cottonwood area. I’m guessing you are up near Chino Valley. I bought my Kubota L2501 about 5 years ago. I started with a John Deere in mind (growing up in Ohio, that’s the go to name that everybody loves), but as others have shared shop the dealership and consider what you are getting for the price. I ended up steering towards the Kubota’s. (With the market like it is now, you will have challenges finding any used deals on lightly used tractors, most want new prices right now. Local dealerships won’t have stock. Bingham sees 3 to 9 month lead times from Kubota.)

I’ve heard some good and some bad about the local JD dealership in Prescott Valley. (I really like the JD guys at the big place down near chandler. I bought some used excavator buckets off them and they are very friendly.) The guys at Bingham are good guys. Prices are sometimes a little steep, but the buying experience is good and they stand behind their reputation. I like working with Jessie over there. In AZ Bingham dominates the entire Kubota market. Wickham tractors out of the Colorado area seems to have some of the best prices in our area, but that‘s about a 10 hour drive. Southwest AG is up that way too (SWAG).

You can buy out of Phoenix or Wickenburg if you‘d like to. If you have a trailer to get down there for service it won’t be too bad assuming you are buying a reputable brand. Like others have said, there may be a thing or two right off that will need corrected. That would be a frustrating experience for me to load up and go down to get it worked out, but if I were retired I might view that trip differently. If you are buying a good brand, you will likely get a few things worked out right off the bat, then you will have some periodic services, but won’t likely need any repairs for a very long time. You can buy implements from anywhere and it makes a lot of sense to buy these used if at all possible.

They have Kioti dealers in northern phoenix and I think there is one in Wickenburg. If you want an older tracter for a few thousand bucks you’ll like have some friving ahead of you given our limited agriculture as compared to many of the states back east. Imperial valley area in CA and up in CO are your best bets. I think MF and Branson has a presence down in the Tuscon area, but that’s really getting out there. And like others have mentioned in our area, these dealerships seem to come and go. (Likely a result of our reduced agricultural needs and the strong presence of Kubota and JD.)

Oh and one other thing… there are times of the year where the L2501 struggles with the hard clay, expecially on a packed down road. But wait for a rain or a freeze / thaw cycle and you can do alot. Most of the year it does well. I just bought a rotary cutter and have not used it yet, but the dealer tells me that in our area it will run a 60” just fine.
My only short coming with the L2501 is that the loader only lift about 1000 lbs, which isn’t quite what I would like it to be but will likely meet your needs just fine. Its a great tractor all around. I think paid between $23k and $25k but a good chunk of that went into the grapple.

Good luck, and have fun!
 
   / Another confused first timer #64  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
It sounds like you are in the market for a subcompact unit. I agree with a couple of folks that have said TYM, LS, Mahindra, etc will give you more bang for your buck. However, I believe the best tractor brand you can buy is the one that has the best dealer by you. Go to your local dealers, talk to them, tour the service department. If they happen to have a similar tractor to the one you are looking for, do a test drive in a dirt pile. Any dealer that refuses to let you drive around a tractor needs to be removed from the list, regardless of the tractor color. Since you are somewhere around central Arizona, you might consider a cab, unless you are more in the mountains - I remember those 120+ degree days.
 
   / Another confused first timer #65  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
Check out Kioti
 
   / Another confused first timer #66  
If you want new with a good warranty at a very reasonable price that is under your $20,000 check out Branson tractor at Keno tractors.com that's where I bought mine and they will ship it down to you you can't go wrong
 
   / Another confused first timer #67  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
 
   / Another confused first timer #68  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
I suggest you check out brands like Kioti, Tym, Mahindra, Kubota.
Important item is your dealer. How long have they been established. How close are they? Can they serve your needs.
I’m partial to Kioti, and Kubota, I have one of each. Dealers for both are relatively close by. Order early, as all
Manufacturers are having delivery issues. COVID has caused supply problems for most if not all manufacturers. I had limited choice, and had to wait for my new Kioti last year.
Happy I bought the Kioti, very satisfied with my choice.
Good luck with your hunt!
 
   / Another confused first timer #69  
No intention of starting a brand war, but I have always had Kubota tractors and mowers. I just hate the thought of rebranded tractors, particularly the numerous orphaned machines.
I full realize that I paid more for the name, but also for parts, service, warranty, longevity, and resale value.
I don't think a $20k budget will buy a new Kubota L2501, but they are a very popular machine for what you are needing to get done.
Agreed, that’s why I have Kioti, and Kubota, the only two who make their own complete machines
 
   / Another confused first timer #70  
You get what you pay for. Stick to a brand with some history and a serious presence in your area stay away from economy brands and keep it Deere Massey new Holland or kubota if you want to be able to get parts and have some resale on your machine. These guys that go no name China and Korea brands and going to all be complaining in 10 years when they can’t get parts for the cheap tractor
You can add Kioti to your list. Kioti and Kubota make their own complete machines. The others don’t.
 
   / Another confused first timer #71  
You can add Kioti to your list. Kioti and Kubota make their own complete machines. The others don’t.
LS and Branson also make their own complete machines...
 
   / Another confused first timer
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#72  
I want to thank you guys all so much! The input/advice has helped me to research brands I never knew existed...:)

Not saying I am any closer to a decision but the more info, the better my final choice will be.

A couple decisions....1) I do want 4WD. 2) I do not need AC or heat ( the weather is relatively mild). 3) I would like a brand that makes it's own products. 4) Dealer support will be an issue since there are only 2 dealers anywhere near me. 5) I find myself leaning towards the S Korean products as of right now.

I started a spreadsheet as was suggested, and came up with Branson including a front loader, rear box, and brush hog for the same price as Kubotas bare model.....but that was a Branson Dealer in Texas......:-(. I wonder if the one near Phoenix will match?

I will check out Kioti also now. Once again, I appreciate the advice. I wish I was more well funded like my buddies that retired form Corporate jobs, but I always had to be the self-employed Contractor :)

Someone asked about my neighbors and their John Deeres, they seem to be JD purists, with JD hats, JD riding mowers, JD everything. Not that that is a bad thing, I just think some guys like the name...?
 
   / Another confused first timer #73  
I want to thank you guys all so much! The input/advice has helped me to research brands I never knew existed...:)

Not saying I am any closer to a decision but the more info, the better my final choice will be.

...

I started a spreadsheet as was suggested, ...
A bit overwhelming unless you are into a lot of data analysis. I have owned 6 tractors in 25 years, mostly different sizes for different needs. If it is of interest to you, I have never purchased a new one. Tractors can be expected to operate reliably for 30 years, with normal maintenance and very few repairs or breaks (which is why some brands are priced higher) so finding something used that has 1,000 or less would be my prime choice. Normally there is a depreciation factor that I can take advantage of. Select what you think you want, then if you want to find used, consider TractorHouse.com. I purchased 4 of mine through that site, plus a near-new tractor loader. I picked up 2 tractors that were over 400 miles away and paid haulers to bring 2 tractors and the loader to me, using only pictures, from dealers 800 and 1200 miles away. Absolutely no regrets. Use the phone to ask all the questions you have and watch videos of the piece(s) under consideration. At times I still use my local dealer for parts and service.
 
   / Another confused first timer #74  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
I personally would not go for compact tractors but for small used agricultural machines which tend to made to work day in day out, more comfortable to operate, as some one has already pointed out more stable, easier and cheaper to get implements which will be better made, possibly the power coming from a larger capacity, less stressed engine. If not, my choice of the three brands you have listed would be Yanmar, after all they power the Deere's.
 
   / Another confused first timer #75  
check out craigslist sometimes you can get more for your buck get someone that has experience with tractors to go with you to check them out even if you have to pay them it could save you thousands and get way more tractor for the money
 
   / Another confused first timer #76  
I would suggest going into Chino Rentals and see what they are using for compact tractors now. I do know that they had both Kubota and New Holland units. At least until 2016 when I retired and left the area. I know both Remmie and Adam there. I worked for Bingham Eq for 30 years, the last 10 in Cottonwood and dealt with both. Maybe rent a 25hp for a weekend and see how it works for you. BEC opened their Prescott Valley store in '17 or '18. I don't know anyone there except Al, who I think is the store manager. Tell him that Mike from Tennessee sent you in. He should be able to help you out.
 
   / Another confused first timer #77  
Well here's the story....I have a 5 acre place in N Central Az. All flat, about 2 acres is horse pasture. Well not grass pasture, but dirt and rock. The other 3 acres are 'grassy' but not nice grass. Plus there are spots with rocks that need to be cleared and always DG to spread. I currently have a riding mower, but the mower deck just crapped out, and I use it more for dragging and cleaning the pastures anyway. My neighbors are great and stop by to help out with stuff, but I really need my own tractor, most people around here use them almost every day for something.

So after much searching, I basically know nothing much more than when I started looking. What I do know is that tractors are expensive!

Here are my parameters: Decent HP (24?) - 4x4 - rear box scraper - front bucket - canopy - mower deck. Other than that I'm flexible. Budget is under $20k. I'd like to go new to get a warranty, plus most manufacturers are offering $0 down and 0% financing which makes it doable....

Brand choice is another matter. John Deere is way too pricey, Kubota is a possible, Yanmar also.
What should I know or do to get this going? I'd like to have one by next spring.

All advice appreciated!
I replied to this earlier with my experience. If I offended you or anyone else for being thorough in my reply I apologize. I did not realize we are only suppose to reply the way other people other than the "Original Poster" may be wanting. I am shocked I had someone private message me and tell me my reply was too long and too much and not to do it in the future. Hoodoo, if I spoke out of turn or for too long I apologize and was only trying to offer my opinion and my experience.
 
   / Another confused first timer #78  
I replied to this earlier with my experience. If I offended you or anyone else for being thorough in my reply I apologize. I did not realize we are only suppose to reply the way other people other than the "Original Poster" may be wanting. I am shocked I had someone private message me and tell me my reply was too long and too much and not to do it in the future. Hoodoo, if I spoke out of turn or for too long I apologize and was only trying to offer my opinion and my experience.

Other than your apparent aversion to paragraphs, it was fine.
Don't sweat the small stuff.
 
   / Another confused first timer #79  
Other than your apparent aversion to paragraphs, it was fine.
Don't sweat the small stuff.
LOL...I deal with proper English, structure, and content for 12 hours a day... forums barely get correct spelling from me. But not sweating it, just seemed odd.
 
   / Another confused first timer #80  
I want to thank you guys all so much! The input/advice has helped me to research brands I never knew existed...:)

Not saying I am any closer to a decision but the more info, the better my final choice will be.

A couple decisions....1) I do want 4WD. 2) I do not need AC or heat ( the weather is relatively mild). 3) I would like a brand that makes it's own products. 4) Dealer support will be an issue since there are only 2 dealers anywhere near me. 5) I find myself leaning towards the S Korean products as of right now.

I started a spreadsheet as was suggested, and came up with Branson including a front loader, rear box, and brush hog for the same price as Kubotas bare model.....but that was a Branson Dealer in Texas......:-(. I wonder if the one near Phoenix will match?

I will check out Kioti also now. Once again, I appreciate the advice. I wish I was more well funded like my buddies that retired form Corporate jobs, but I always had to be the self-employed Contractor :)

Someone asked about my neighbors and their John Deeres, they seem to be JD purists, with JD hats, JD riding mowers, JD everything. Not that that is a bad thing, I just think some guys like the name...?
It sounds like your making some progress. I know everyone points to the bigger the Tractor the better. I didn’t buy mine to work fields or farm I bought it to work in the woods and help maintain the 1/4 mile long driveway and the 3 miles of trails we once had . I guess the best way to describe what a 25 HP tractor can do is show some pictures. We had the front 40 acres logged and the mess is huge but I’m slowly chipping away.
 

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