Buying Advice I want to buy a new Tier 4 tractor this year!

[jyoutz]

True, I never said it didn't raise prices, what I said is that it is not the primary cause of high tractor prices, nor of inflation.

And I agree with you. I think the primary cause is the disruption of the supply chains worldwide coupled with high demand. Tariffs did have a sizable impact on raw steel, but steel alone probably doesn’t account for the greatest costs of manufacturing a finished tractor.

 

[Torvy]

And I agree with you. I think the primary cause is the disruption of the supply chains worldwide coupled with high demand. Tariffs did have a sizable impact on raw steel, but steel alone probably doesn’t account for the greatest costs of manufacturing a finished tractor.

Sorry, the Economist in me knows too much about inflation to buy the BS about supply chain. Is it a factor? Yes. The biggest impact to prices/inflation is monetary and oil policies. The supply chain issues will be temporary and if it was just that, prices would already be coming down as Supply is ticking back up. Part of the reason Demand is up is the fear of future inflation. People realize it is not going to get better soon and are trying to buy before interest rates and inflation get even worse.

 

[5030]

I too was very apprehensive when I bought my M7060HDC12. But I read the owners manual thoroughly and follow it religiously and in 500+ hours of operation have had absolutely no problems at all. I know the tractor goes through a regeneration cycle occasionally because I see the light is on in the dash but otherwise I cannot tell the difference. I just make sure I don't shut it down when the regen cycle is going on because according to the owners manual that is a no-no.

Exactly what the head wrench at my Kubota dealer told me. The issues with the T4 finals tractors arise when owners don't follow the owners manual concerning engine operation. He said EVERY repair he's had to make concerned early shutdown during regen or over riding the regen numerous times.

Of course mot 'adults' today are poor at following instructions or never bother to read the owners manual in the first place.

Despite that, I'll still never own a T4 final tractor, simply because I don't want or need some joe college engineer telling me a T4 engine is better than my post 3 engines. I don't buy that, never will.

 

[5030]

Good point! Prices are up dramatically...almost doubled, in some cases..
I think everyone who reads a newspaper (paper or online) or watches TV can figure out why...

Interesting you should say that. I was offered today a cash sale on one of my Pre 4 M9's at a price equal to what I paid for it new in 2004. Not for sale at any price, at least now. Of course factoring in inflation I should have been offered a tad bit more that what I paid for it originally.

 

[jyoutz]

Sorry, the Economist in me knows too much about inflation to buy the BS about supply chain. Is it a factor? Yes. The biggest impact to prices/inflation is monetary and oil policies. The supply chain issues will be temporary and if it was just that, prices would already be coming down as Supply is ticking back up. Part of the reason Demand is up is the fear of future inflation. People realize it is not going to get better soon and are trying to buy before interest rates and inflation get even worse.

Demand is also up due to Covid. People have been delaying purchasing for a couple of years and now are starting to do things again.

 

[jyoutz]

Exactly what the head wrench at my Kubota dealer told me. The issues with the T4 finals tractors arise when owners don't follow the owners manual concerning engine operation. He said EVERY repair he's had to make concerned early shutdown during regen or over riding the regen numerous times.

Of course mot 'adults' today are poor at following instructions or never bother to read the owners manual in the first place.

Despite that, I'll still never own a T4 final tractor, simply because I don't want or need some joe college engineer telling me a T4 engine is better than my post 3 engines. I don't buy that, never will.

It depends on how you define better. I used to get terrible sinus headaches after operating my old tractor for a few hours due to diesel fumes. This isn’t a problem with my new tier 4 tractor.

 

[5030]

It depends on how you define better. I used to get terrible sinus headaches after operating my old tractor for a few hours due to diesel fumes. This isn’t a problem with my new tier 4 tractor.

Maybe you need an N95 mask or a supplied are respirator or maybe one of those JD electric utility tractors for 233 grand.

 

[W5FL]

I wouldn’t touch anything that did not come with KTAC Insurance.

I’ve owned 2 that did & plan to be getting a 3rd soon.

No way in the world I’d consider your #2 or #3.

Green has soured around this hill even though there’s 12 between all the farms.

Please explain further as I have never bought KTAC Insurance as my tractor purchase was cash.

I really want my first choice of the Kubota M6-111, but the price keeps going up and even with a 20% discount (if available), it is still expensive. The TYM really looks equivalent to the M6 for 40% less than MSRP. The Kioti PX-1153pc also looks equivalent to the M6 for about 40% less than MSRP. Is there more I need to research on the 110 hp Kioti PX and TYM?

 

[jyoutz]

Maybe you need an N95 mask or a supplied are respirator or maybe one of those JD electric utility tractors for 233 grand.

I’m good with my new tier 4 tractor.

 

[Cycledude]

Seems to be a lot of bad talk about tier 4 tractors but mine now has 180 trouble free hours and has only regenerated two or three times.

 

[5030]

Seems to be a lot of bad talk about tier 4 tractors but mine now has 180 trouble free hours and has only regenerated two or three times.

I can put 180 hours on one of mine in 3 weeks when running crops, maybe less if I work after dusk. IOW 180 hours ain't beans.

 

[sea2summit]

Please explain further as I have never bought KTAC Insurance as my tractor purchase was cash.

I really want my first choice of the Kubota M6-111, but the price keeps going up and even with a 20% discount (if available), it is still expensive. The TYM really looks equivalent to the M6 for 40% less than MSRP. The Kioti PX-1153pc also looks equivalent to the M6 for about 40% less than MSRP. Is there more I need to research on the 110 hp Kioti PX and TYM?

Why not Massey?

 

[sea2summit]

Seems to be a lot of bad talk about tier 4 tractors but mine now has 180 trouble free hours and has only regenerated two or three times.

Call us back when it’s broken in

 

[sea2summit]

I can put 180 hours on one of mine in 3 weeks when running crops, maybe less if I work after dusk. IOW 180 hours ain't beans.

Exactly. When you’re talking about something that should easily get to 4k, 180 is nothing. It hasn’t even been serviced yet just an oil change.

 

[Cycledude]

I can put 180 hours on one of mine in 3 weeks when running crops, maybe less if I work after dusk. IOW 180 hours ain't beans.

Do you own a tier 4 tractor ?
Yes I agree 180 hours ain’t much all I was saying it’s been trouble free so far, hopefully it will continue to be trouble free but when it comes to mechanical stuff you never really know When something could go wrong. What is IOW supposed to mean ?

 

[sea2summit]

Oops, my mistake.

 

[W5FL]

Why not Massey?

I would consider a Massey Global Edition. Seems like good major components if you can find enough information to be certain what you are buying. Wonder if the cabs glass is tinted?

 

[5030]

What is IOW supposed to mean ?

I fat fingered that, sorry. Meant IMO.

 

[5030]

Do you own a tier 4 tractor ?
Yes I agree 180 hours ain’t much all I was saying it’s been trouble free so far, hopefully it will continue to be trouble free but when it comes to mechanical stuff you never really know When something could go wrong. What is IOW supposed to mean ?

Nope and don't want one either. My buddy down the road has a fleet of them for his commercial seed operation and they are constantly being repaired. In fact I believe the JD tech lives in his machinery barn....lol said before that I'd retire from farming if my tractors somehow failed but I don't see that happening. Just had the one in the shop (Kubota dealer for a overhead adjustment and some other minor stuff and it was given an A+ bill of health by the lead technician. It has over 6000 hours on it. Uses no oil, no coolant, starts right up, rarely smokes unless I'm really working it hard and just performs beautifully, every day.

 

[MHarryE]

I have had Kubota's with DPF since 2013. Only one has DEF. Have had no engine problems with any of them other than failed fan/alternator belt idler pulley on my M7 at 1050 hours. Two with DPF only have been traded off for larger tractors, M135GX was traded for the M7 as soon as the M7 became available (I wanted KVT & more power). L6060 recently traded for M5-111. If I include my nephew's M111GX, which now has 4400 hours, we have probably 7,000 operating time with the only difference between the Tier 4 emissions and older tractors is lack of smoke, diesel odor, and regens happening when they happen noticed by the light flashing - unless the regen happens at the end of the work day and then idle fast enough for the regen to continue until its done, then shut down. Nephew and I compare notes, have had that happen a few times over the 8 years we've been running Tier 4. I guess we are unusual in not having problems hearing rumors of others but my nephew and I really like performance improvements. My L6060 replace a L5740 and was like an entirely larger power class. I have some concerns about the M5 having heard of people running into DEF problems with early build tractors. I assume that is why Kubota supplied me with free DEF for 2020 - dealer said problems with customers using old and contaminated DEF. I shouldn't say no engine problems. I have had water separator plugging, but no different than with my earlier tractors and minimal emissions engines (L3710, L5740, RTV900, GR2120).