DPF Regeneration driving me crazy...

[Gee Ray]

I remember a lot of that from back then. Some cities you drove thru literally made you sick at your stomach from the bad smell. Gary Indiana was one of those we drove thru back in the early 70's that made all of us in the car sick

It is nice to think that all the air pollution was from cars. But stop and think about it Wheeling W VA, Pittsburg, Gary, Cleveland all are nice and clean because the industries that supplied a lot of good paying jobs packed up and moved out of the country. Look at the poverty, drug dependence and lack of positive out look since the jobs and money are gone. Steel, iron, tires are no longer made here because of the pressure from the government to stop pollution, the corrupt unions and the misunderstanding of the economics of a strong nation.

Now the stuff is still made but it is done in countries that have no regulations so the pay is poor and the the pollution is greater. What a great fix has occurred. The rust belt was born. Railroad, shipping, mining and all the related jobs restaurants, retail, construction etc are just gone. But hey the sky is blue here. China and India and others get the jobs and money. We get the left overs.

And the cycle continues. Get rid of the fossil fuels. Those nasty ICE must go and build electric cars because they do not make any pollution. Keep smokin' that wacky tobacky.

 

[kenmac]

All that bought into this regen crap knew, or should have known what they were getting into

No need to worry about clean air here. It will all be clean here, while all the ''clean air'' regulations are forcing companies to produce items in countries that don't have these regulations, and ship those items back to us for purchase. Yet all their dirty air is floating here for us to breath.

I love the smell of diesel along with my coffee and cigar in the am

 

[jyoutz]

It is nice to think that all the air pollution was from cars. But stop and think about it Wheeling W VA, Pittsburg, Gary, Cleveland all are nice and clean because the industries that supplied a lot of good paying jobs packed up and moved out of the country. Look at the poverty, drug dependence and lack of positive out look since the jobs and money are gone. Steel, iron, tires are no longer made here because of the pressure from the government to stop pollution, the corrupt unions and the misunderstanding of the economics of a strong nation.

Now the stuff is still made but it is done in countries that have no regulations so the pay is poor and the the pollution is greater. What a great fix has occurred. The rust belt was born. Railroad, shipping, mining and all the related jobs restaurants, retail, construction etc are just gone. But hey the shy is blue here. China and India and others get the jobs and money. We get the left overs.

And the cycle continues. Get rid of the fossil fuels. Those nasty ICE must go and build electric cars because they do not make any pollution. Keep smokin' that wacky tobacky.

It doesn’t have to be pollution or jobs. It can be clean industry and jobs too. Modern plants can produce steel, iron, and tires without belching black smoke. Companies that wanted to continue running 50 year old plants and not invest in modern manufacturing facilities didn’t survive. Those that modernized did survive. Look at all the high quality manufacturing in Germany, and they have stricter environmental laws than the US.

 

[Gee Ray]

It doesn’t have to be pollution or jobs. It can be clean industry and jobs too. Modern plants can produce steel, iron, and tires without belching black smoke. Companies that wanted to continue running 50 year old plants and not invest in modern manufacturing facilities didn’t survive. Those that modernized did survive. Look at all the high quality manufacturing in Germany, and they have stricter environmental laws than the US.

When the pressure from the government forces companies to choose either close down and move out of the country or spend millions to modernize you move to a country that wants the "dirty work". The products still get made just somewhere else.

The biggest problem is the never ending regulation changes. I have watched it first hand. The EPA required cleaner emissions from the power plants. Before the changes could be completed the EPA stepped in and required more changes. Then more changes. There is never a chance for the companies to recoup the cost. The result was the decommission of coal power plants and thousands of related jobs lost.

We now get to enjoy the electric shortages and the poor conditions of the power grid. The money was spent to convert the coal power plants to cleaner NG ones. Now the clean plants are evil and we must rid our country of the dirty fossil fuels that at one time were the solution.

The goal of the EPA maybe good one but the EPA fails to look at all of the long range consequences.

The comment about how modern Germany steel is a good one. They produce about 2% of the worlds steel. The US now only makes about 4.4% of the worlds steel. While China and India produce 59% of the worlds steel. WE know how good China and India are at pollution regulations.

 

[Username Taken]

When the pressure from the government forces companies to choose either close down and move out of the country or spend millions to modernize you move to a country that wants the "dirty work". The products still get made just somewhere else.

The biggest problem is the never ending regulation changes. I have watched it first hand. The EPA required cleaner emissions from the power plants. Before the changes could be completed the EPA stepped in and required more changes. Then more changes. There is never a chance for the companies to recoup the cost. The result was the decommission of coal power plants and thousands of related jobs lost.

We now get to enjoy the electric shortages and the poor conditions of the power grid. The money was spent to convert the coal power plants to cleaner NG ones. Now the clean plants are evil and we must rid our country of the dirty fossil fuels that at one time were the solution.

The goal of the EPA maybe good one but the EPA fails to look at all of the long range consequences.

The comment about how modern Germany steel is a good one. They produce about 2% of the worlds steel. The US now only makes about 4.4% of the worlds steel. While China and India produce 59% of the worlds steel. WE know how good China and India are at pollution regulations.

The EPA is a rogue agency that needs to be shut down.

period

 

[jyoutz]

The EPA is a rogue agency that needs to be shut down.

period

The EPA operates under policies and statutes established by congress, just like all agencies do. Congress establishes laws and direction that federal agencies are governed by, then individual members of congress criticize the agencies for following laws they establish. This is an old game that members of congress use to stir up their base voters. I’ve seen it time and time again in my own agency. If congress doesn’t like the laws they establish, they have the power to change them. But it’s politically advantageous to have agencies to use as punching bags, especially when the executive in charge of the agency happens to be of the other political party.

 

[71bronco]

I'll keep my L3240 gear drive that I can leave in idle and push the accelerator with my foot when I need it. It sips fuel. The only time I use the hand throttle is when I'm brush hogging.
You guys can have your tractors that are screaming wide open all the time.

Jeff

 

[jyoutz]

I'll keep my L3240 gear drive that I can leave in idle and push the accelerator with my foot when I need it. It sips fuel. The only time I use the hand throttle is when I'm brush hogging.
You guys can have your tractors that are screaming wide open all the time.

Jeff

It’s not necessary to run tier 4 tractors wide open all the time. Idling for appropriate tasks is fine, as long as the machine is run at 2000 RPMs for awhile afterwards. WOT isn’t necessary.

 

[Jstpssng]

Diesels were never meant to be run at constant idle. Even older machines benefit from running at PTO rpms occasionally. They burn cleaner and don’t smoke as much.

 

[71bronco]

Diesels were never meant to be run at constant idle. Even older machines benefit from running at PTO rpms occasionally. They burn cleaner and don’t smoke as much.

Never said I left it at constant idle. Just press the gas when moving or working.

Jeff

 

[Williy]

If there is a sensor in the canister that would
be the first thing that I would replace. I would
think that it is malfunctioning because of the
constant regen process! Has it been checked??

willy

 

[Jstpssng]

Never said I left it at constant idle. Just press the gas when moving or working.

Jeff

I never said you did either, I just went with what you had posted.
The "extra fuel use" is grossly overrated.
My old 1984 L275 27hp burned 2 quarts per operating hour. My 2015 3301 with emissions and 6 more HP burns .5 gallons per operating hour... hardly enough to warrant complaining about.
As much as I loved my old machine, the newer one is better in nearly every way.

I get on my father's 2008 L2800 with no emissions, and the first thing that I notice is the diesel stench. It's a much better machine than mine in a lot of ways, but after 600 hours with the cleaner running machine it's hard to go back.

 

[Mud2Money]

I have 57 hours on my mt5. For much of it it’s been used for loader work with Rpms from 1500-2000 and probably a good 12 hours using the foot pedal and just coming off idle.

It did its first regen at 50 hours while I was tilling. This thing sure sips fuel and is pretty darn quiet even at pto. My old case Com isn’t terrible fuel wise but that thing at pto will set your ears humming. Smokes a bit under some heavy loads. The LS I never notice any.

Under regen it had that slight vinegar smell to it right as the light came on. Kept tilling. Light went off 18 minutes later. Happy ending.
Give it some rpm and lower range. My mt5 is power shuttle and does well at a mid rpm doing loader work. Maybe dig more then trying to run trees down.

 

[Hay Dude]

I used to get a sinus headache after a few hours of operating my old tractor because of soot and fumes, not with my new machine. I like that. I guess because my machine is/was open station. Probably not an issue with a cab.

Just had a tech come down and help me with some baler electronics issues.
He told me far and away, they spend more time fixing DEF/DPF issues on tractors than anything else. Thats ridiculous that after 10 years they can’t make the DPF/DEF a more reliable system.

Might be fine for you since you don’t use a tractor to make a living, but it’s not fine for those who do. Its a major inconvenience and loss of money to be down for hours. It can become days if the parts you need are unavailable, as they can be in todays parts-shortage-USA we now live in.

I have no problem with making tractors burn cleaner, but can’t they make it reliable? Why not have twin sensors, so when one fails, there’s a backup? Or make them easily accessible and give the owner spares? Or just build them better in the first place, so less expense in downtime & parts?

 

[jyoutz]

Just had a tech come down and help me with some baler electronics issues.
He told me far and away, they spend more time fixing DEF/DPF issues on tractors than anything else. Thats ridiculous that after 10 years they can’t make the DPF/DEF a more reliable system.

Might be fine for you since you don’t use a tractor to make a living, but it’s not fine for those who do. Its a major inconvenience and loss of money to be down for hours. It can become days if the parts you need are unavailable, as they can be in todays parts-shortage-USA we now live in.

I have no problem with making tractors burn cleaner, but can’t they make it reliable? Why not have twin sensors, so when one fails, there’s a backup? Or make them easily accessible and give the owner spares? Or just build them better in the first place, so less expense in downtime & parts?

I guess like everything mechanical, owners experiences differ. After 100s of thousands of miles on my VW tdi and Dodge Cummins, I’ve never experienced a problem with DEF/DPF.

 

[TMGT]

I never said you did either, I just went with what you had posted.
The "extra fuel use" is grossly overrated.
My old 1984 L275 27hp burned 2 quarts per operating hour. My 2015 3301 with emissions and 6 more HP burns .5 gallons per operating hour... hardly enough to warrant complaining about.
As much as I loved my old machine, the newer one is better in nearly every way.

I get on my father's 2008 L2800 with no emissions, and the first thing that I notice is the diesel stench. It's a much better machine than mine in a lot of ways, but after 600 hours with the cleaner running machine it's hard to go back.

So you have the same fuel consumption between the L275 and the L3301? That's pretty decent, I'd like to see what the difference in fuel economy would be on a modern common rail without the emissions systems.

I know my truck picked up about 2-3mpg after doing a simple delete.

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[Jstpssng]

So you have the same fuel consumption between the L275 and the L3301? That's pretty decent, I'd like to see what the difference in fuel economy would be on a modern common rail without the emissions systems.

I know my truck picked up about 2-3mpg after doing a simple delete.

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I keep hearing that. So it's Ok to make them more fuel efficient, as long as you can keep spewing as much crap into the air as you want?

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Once every 60+ hours for 10-15 minutes. Don’t be so dramatic.

Huh? When I got my tractor the regeneration cycle was once every 8-12 hours and then my tractor got stuck in limp-home mode because the engine couldn't get warm enough to regenerate and clogged up. The field upgrade on Tier IV fleet diesels is to install warmer thermostats so the things can warm up enough to work. Everybody hates the emissions. Everybody.

As a professor of rhetoric would remind us, your particular is not universal, as per the Square of Opposition.

 

[Number15]

Huh? When I got my tractor the regeneration cycle was once every 8-12 hours and then my tractor got stuck in limp-home mode because the engine couldn't get warm enough to regenerate and clogged up. The field upgrade on Tier IV fleet diesels is to install warmer thermostats so the things can warm up enough to work. Everybody hates the emissions. Everybody.

As a professor of rhetoric would remind us, your particular is not universal, as per the Square of Opposition.

I don't hate them, seriously. I like clean air and I remember the smog in my city in the 70's and it was terrible. The levels were even reported on the news. I know people who live in the country never experienced that, so perspective is different.

My Branson has manual regen and I am at 74 hours and it has not asked for it yet. We'll see what my AC does, it has egr, doc and dpf. It only has 19 hours as of yet and it has not even got to the first stripe (there is a bar gauge for the dpf)

My current F250 has ~140k issue free, seems to regen every 375 to 500 miles. My old F350 has over 200k issue free miles but it does not get driven much anymore.

I understand, for working farmers down time sucks. But stuff breaks in every profession and needs to be dealt with. It comes with the territory. Edited: if you want to see what I said see the quote below but it is irrelevant . I like clean air and water.

I think in the early days the systems were poorly designed. I think most manufacturers have a handle on it now and design well working long lasting systems. As I said in another thread issues are expensive with these systems so it tends to get people riled up. You don't hear people moaning about a broken alternator because it's cheap and easy, but they still break

 

[IndyJay]

FWIW I am not a tree hugger, I vote mostly republican especially national races. The only difference is I like clean air and water.

Wow... just wow...