Will UAW Strike?

[lilranch2001]

I think that is the general perception across the country

 

[5030]

In reality, a 40% wage increase over 4 years isn't all that much, just keeping pace with Bidenflation, sort of and nothing more in reality but 40% sounds like a wad if you don't factor in it's over 4 years.

I see SS is going to get an increase as well but nowhere near the rate of Bidenflation, as usual.

 

[lilranch2001]

I can guarantee my social security will not go up as much as inflation.

I’m just damn glad and very fortunate. I was able to stash a chunk of change away for my retirement.

 

[riptides]

I can guarantee my social security will not go up as much as inflation.

I’m just damn glad and very fortunate. I was able to stash a chunk of change away for my retirement.

Timing is everything.

 

[Torvy]

I’m just damn glad and very fortunate. I was able to stash a chunk of change away for my retirement.

That is another one of those union tricks. They get a 'pension' which also feeds the bosses rather than a 401k plan, which for the vast majority of people have outperformed what they could have got from a pension. Bosses don't like them, because they don't get a cut of the 401k.

In my non-union jobs, employers match some of my savings. Imagine that, a company offering a benefit without a union thug with a knife at their throat. Almost as if good businesses understand they need to keep good employees happy.

 

[5030]

I keep wondering what will happen when the UAW strike fund is depleted and the strikers no longer get any compensation at all. Like I said previously, here in Michigan they are not eligible for any sort of public assistance like unemployment because they 'walked off the job' voluntarily.

I keep hearing the strike fund will last until just before Christmas (with the current amount of strikers, but could be shorter if Fain has more workers walk off the job.

Could and probably will get ugly when notes come due and they (strikers) cannot pay them. Finance companies and lenders aren't sympathetic to those self induced plights, they want their money, plain and simple.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I wonder if employees at non-union automakers in the US will look at the deal UAW workers end up getting and try to unionize their own plants.

 

[tradosaurus]

I wonder if employees at non-union automakers in the US will look at the deal UAW workers end up getting and try to unionize their own plants.

I doubt it. If employees are treated humanely by having company profits distributed fairly as well as good working environment there is no need for a union.

I worked at a plant within one company that didn't have a union and then transferred to another plant in another state within the same company that had a strong union.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I doubt it. If employees are treated humanely by having company profits distributed fairly as well as good working environment there is no need for a union.

I worked at a plant within one company that didn't have a union and then transferred to another plant in another state within the same company that had a strong union.

There have been a couple of unsuccessful attempts made at Tesla already. I would think that if the UAW cuts a really good deal it may entice more pro-union employees.

 

[5030]

I wonder if employees at non-union automakers in the US will look at the deal UAW workers end up getting and try to unionize their own plants.

Probably not taking into account whatever 'deal' they ultimately get because right now they are going backwards not only in wage compensation but in ancillary benefits. Keep in mind that striking workers are not under the benefit umbrella that the automakers provide. That all ceased the second they walked off the job.

The longer the strike goes, the farther back in wages and ancillary benefits the strikers are getting.

So long as the non union suppliers provide adequate compensation and benefits to their workers, I don't see them unionizing because they don't want to pay union dues anyway.

I also suspect that a percentage of suppliers will cease doing business anyway, most if the smaller ones are just hanging on barely.

Just sitting back and watching and reading all the whining on the local facebook from striking autoworkers complaining they have no money. Not my problem and I sure as heck won't 'loan' them any, either.

 

[5030]

There have been a couple of unsuccessful attempts made at Tesla already. I would think that if the UAW cuts a really good deal it may entice more pro-union employees.

I don't believe the UAW will increase it's membership at non union plants. If anything they will loose members.

Trust me, they won't 'cut' a really good deal because the automakers won't aqree to it and never will.

Each and every day on strike, they go backwards a little bit more.

 

[5030]

Finally, the non union automakers are all located in RTW states, unlike here in Michigan where our democrat (and pro union) governor overturned the RTW mandate and made Michigan a mandatory 'closed shop' state where working in a union shop requires you join the union and pay union dues or you don't work there, IMO a stupid move on her part but then she's made a lot of 'questionable' moves in her tenure and no I did not vote for her either. I'm glad she's on term limits, maybe the people here in Michigan will come to their collective senses and elect a governor who is pro Michigan, not holding my breath however.

... and of course with a democrat house and senate in Lansing, any and all of her questionable moves are applauded by them and passed no matter what.

 

[dodge man]

I’m a retired land surveyor and the unions have been pushing for surveyors to be in the union on construction projects where federal and state money is involved, usually highway projects. At the federal level they just had a ruling where the licensed professional land surveyor doesn’t have to be union but the helpers do.

I‘m not sure how this will work out as in the big cities I understand union surveyors can be found but not so much in the more rural areas. I know the company I worked for will probably just refuse to work on those projects. It will just drive up costs.

 

[tradosaurus]

There have been a couple of unsuccessful attempts made at Tesla already. I would think that if the UAW cuts a really good deal it may entice more pro-union employees.

Most employees are well aware of the pros & cons of a union. The work environment would have to be bad before I voted to bring a union in, knowing full well that I will pay union dues and if a strike is called potentially lose income.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I wonder if the UAW understand they are currently supported by employees of dying companies. This automotive insider seems to have data supporting only two automotive companies have a path into the future. Until this strike I never grasped the terminal nature of the former Big 3. I just read GM is working to put together a six billion dollar line of credit to help offset strike related cash flow concerns.

 

[NoTrespassing]

My wife has the option to join or not at the VA, she chose not to.

 

[tradosaurus]

My wife has the option to join or not at the VA, she chose not to.

If by VA you mean Veterans Administration I agree. My son worked at the VA as a nurse in Dallas a few years. Hard to get fired regardless of being in a union.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I wonder if the UAW understand they are currently supported by employees of dying companies. This automotive insider seems to have data supporting only two automotive companies have a path into the forward. Until this strike never grasped the terminal nature of the former Big 3. I just read GM is working to put together a six billion dollar line of credit to help offset strike related cash flow concerns.

I won't be convinced until I see Ford drop the ball on the 2025 EV pickup.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I won't be convinced until I see Ford drop the ball on the 2025 EV pickup.

That is Ford's best indicator perhaps.

Once we see post strike how much they are going to need to reduce their move to EVs budget things may become clearer. Assuming Cybertruck production is hitting on all cylinders by 2025 that can be boost or bust for Ford or just neutral.

 

[Joel/ak]

Finally, the non union automakers are all located in RTW states, unlike here in Michigan where our democrat (and pro union) governor overturned the RTW mandate and made Michigan a mandatory 'closed shop' state where working in a union shop requires you join the union and pay union dues or you don't work there, IMO a stupid move on her part but then she's made a lot of 'questionable' moves in her tenure and no I did not vote for her either. I'm glad she's on term limits, maybe the people here in Michigan will come to their collective senses and elect a governor who is pro Michigan, not holding my breath however.

... and of course with a democrat house and senate in Lansing, any and all of her questionable moves are applauded by them and passed no matter what.

If we can get rid of a few select areas, MI would be a solid red state. Never happen though.