Really, really dumb question about difference between off road and on road diesel fuel.

[Flogger]

I buy non-tax diesel with cash money. I use ATF as my fuel treatment because of the excellent lube and solvent properties. For 50¢ a gallon my summer fuel bill is much easier to digest. I also have some 75 year old diesel engines that have never had the fuel systems touched.

 

[Flogger]

Around the Kansas law enforcement training center the training regimen apparently includes sticking fuel tanks at farm auctions.

I once had a $5000 fine levied for a water truck one of my drivers picked up from a job site. Within 45 minutes of him unloading it in the yard DOT walked onto the lot and stuck the tanks. Needless to say it didn't go to court but an individual probably would have been out the fine.

 

[DarkBlack]

I once had a $5000 fine levied for a water truck one of my drivers picked up from a job site. Within 45 minutes of him unloading it in the yard DOT walked onto the lot and stuck the tanks.

“Unloaded”, like off a trailer?
It must have been registered to you, for driving on the road, otherwise they can’t fine you

 

[MoKelly]

Random check points are perfectly legal everywhere if public safety is the issue. The difference in price of the two fuels is road tax and greed on the retailer's part. Stay legal and get over it.

You cannot randomly stop cars and search for illegal weapons.

But, you can stop diesel vehicles and check for red dye?

Really?

 

[ruffdog]

You cannot randomly stop cars and search for illegal weapons.

But, you can stop diesel vehicles and check for red dye?

Really?

Use the public roads....follow the rules.

 

[Rockbadchild]

You cannot randomly stop cars and search for illegal weapons.

But, you can stop diesel vehicles and check for red dye?

Really?

For us in Canada we can refuse at the cost of $1000...lol.. it is different laws that apply, just like vehicle inspection they can do without cause.

''In many jurisdictions, law enforcement agencies have the authority to conduct inspections of vehicles, including checking the contents of fuel tanks, without specific cause. This authority is often granted under laws related to fuel taxation and compliance.''

 

[DarkBlack]

For us in Canada we can refuse at the cost of $1000...lol.. it is different laws that apply, just like vehicle inspection they can do without cause.

''In many jurisdictions, law enforcement agencies have the authority to conduct inspections of vehicles, including checking the contents of fuel tanks, without specific cause. This authority is often granted under laws related to fuel taxation and compliance.''

In the states, off road diesel is regulated by the IRS. It has nothing to do with spill hazard, or pollution. It’s 100% a matter of taxes, and it’s considered tax evasion to run it on the road. Cops voluntarily dipping people’s tanks are simply doing the IRS’s job for them. I guess those that do, don’t have enough real police work to do. Envision a local cop showing up to go over your yearly tax return, looking for tax evasion.

 

[Rockbadchild]

In the states, off road diesel is regulated by the IRS. It has nothing to do with spill hazard, or pollution. It’s 100% a matter of taxes, and it’s considered tax evasion to run it on the road. Cops voluntarily dipping people’s tanks are simply doing the IRS’s job for them. I guess those that do, don’t have enough real police work to do. Envision a local cop showing up to go over your yearly tax return, looking for tax evasion.

I know, same situation for us (IRS equivalent) but the government is giving them jurisdiction to do inspection on the matter and issue fines, again just like road side vehicles inspection they do it on the behalf of the ministry of transportation, this happens all the time, the cops assist or acting on the behalf of other government agencies as long as the law is written to give them jurisdiction then they can, I don't understand how difficult it is to understand whether or not you agree with it. Their boss is telling them to do blitz once a year or so, so they do and plus it's back up by law. You would be surprise on the extent of jurisdiction of cops, they can do stuff that even them don't know they can. One example for us in Canada they can even give fines on the behalf of the ministry of labor, they don't because they don't know the regulation but they could.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I use off road. I only know of one station near us offering it, and seemingly no way to find other stations offering it. I don't use enough to justify my own tank and deliveries of fuel. But I do like saving $.70/gal on what I do use. I do use diesel treatment in every gallon, but that is peanuts... A bottle treats like 400gal.
Anyway, is there any way to FIND stations that carry off road? I've called a few, and the people working have no clue, they only know they have a diesel pump.

 

[LouNY]

A couple of you guys mentioned using your home heating oil in your tractors. Just as everything else, a couple people told me it's the same stuff with dye; a couple people told me it's very different.
I do it to save some money, but especially for convienience. I put a pump on top of my home heating tank, and it saves a lot of lifting and filling jugs.
Is it the same fuel or not?

Yep, it is the same stuff. In this area it has been so for several years. When the ultra low sulfer became mandated for "highway" vehicles for just a couple of years home heating oil was allowed to have a slightly higher sulfur content , no longer.
Besides which the only adverse effect from the sulfur would be if you had a DOC or DPF if not it was actually better for the fuel injection pump.