I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy.

   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #51  
Many of the old farm houses from before the 1950's just need to get bulldozed and replaced. Tiny, falling apart, and nothing worth much in them. The lot is more valuable than the house.
Sadly, my native home state of Oregon has seen too much of just that. Outsiders who move in, bulldoze a farm house/ranch house and build that large footprint mansion they so desperately feel they need. Drives rural land prices up and sooner or later the high and mighty insert themselves into local politics and boards with resultant negative changes to entire communities (Salem political bias against farmers and ranchers aside). Once the Cali or otherwise train pulls in, others follow. Bye bye rural Oregon. You'll be hard pressed to find decent acreage 10+ with an honest to goodness real old farmhouse on it. Most have been scraped, and it's a dam shame.
Let me share some of what is so valuable about these "tiny, falling apart" old farm houses. They are anchors in rural communities. They tell the stories of entire generations of hardworking people, they tell the stories of entire casts of characters from days gone by. Most homesteads are forever etched into one oldtimer family last name to easily get across location, even for for a 911 call. Community. History.
My own home started out as a rail depot and post office (current living room) and was added on to by the deceased parents of my neighbor who lived in the home for a time as a kid.
My postal carrier's grandfather told her stories of how there had been an old stagecoach stop and inn here before the rails and depot came in, and before that, there had been a communal well (now under gravel on a county lot adjacent) where pioneers stopped to water their oxen, horses, livestock. I've got several 'pioneer' juniper trees am positive were used for shade during the Oregon Trail days. Later, sheepherders on horseback would use the well to water the herds. When the rails came there were chutes and shipping yards that were just down the road from my house.
During the postal era there was a turnstile before the railroad tracks across the road and a platform with a hook for the mail bags. All gone now of course. They'd load and unload supplies, kerosene etc, store things here in my 'living room'. Mule teams would jingle up and down the canyon going towards the Columbia river and town with wheat and return with supplies.
The cast of characters in my home were varied. A strapping giant Ferrier with black hair and black eyes, described to me by my nonagenarian neighbor to my North as a "fiery sumbitch" from memories of when he was just a kid, another was a local infamous bronc rider, and the list goes on. I've found old stopper bottles, an old leather mule or horse collar amazingly preserved here in the desert climate, various old stove parts, arrowheads, very old buckles and tack hardware, square head nails, lots of interesting odds and ends.
One of the elms in the front yard (that sadly needed taken down) had been planted by my neighbor's dad when that dad was just a teenager. Way over 100 years old. I thought long about taking that tree down and apprised the family of why it needed done, but I was sorry to see it come down, as were they. His father had found a civil war era breechloader rifle hidden in the walls when he went to install insulation in the original depot walls. Quite a find. He added the current 3 bedrooms and bathroom in the 50's, the original outhouse was alongside the barn, the old well and hand pump was off from the house at the old pioneer days well site. These people worked hard under tough conditions here, hard to imagine going out in 0 degree weather with a 40mph wind blowing but dang.
The kitchen has all the original farm cabinets with solid thick hardwood doors. Sturdy yet simple, and tall. On the back side of the kitchen is the old canning closet, rows of many shelves to hold canned goods from garden harvest. The 'septic' consists of dry well pits (which the 'green' crowd are now crowing about) for kitchen and wash water, along with another system that heads out carrying the bath water which supplies water for the huge old Ash tree. The black water sewage goes to two tanks with another eventual 'evaporator box' (enclosed) and this setup has also become the darling of the 'green' crowd that are so 'ahead of the curve' :rolleyes:. This is rural living and it works.
There are some very old corral fence boards made from 30 foot long lumber - I kid you not - hard to pound a nail into them as is most of the thick dense wood used inside the home. Trim boards are bird's eye maple with custom closets (that means real home carpentry), and every board and nail holds a story. I wouldn't trade this house for a freaking modern stick-built or otherwise. I'm proud to own and maintain one of these "nothing worth much in them" old homes, and you can dam well bet if I get so old I can't keep up with the property that I'm not selling to an outsider, nor anyone who would bulldoze this place, there's plenty of land out back zoned for a new home with a new road cut in if they so choose. You have no idea how many people were relieved that the 'someone' who bought the place was a person who cares about not only the house, the land, but also the context of community and history. We're losing not only oral and written local history but local landmarks and the stories of the people who lived and worked in those homes. Case in point, a local eatery my own mother frequented as a teenager way back in the 40's. Torn down, fabulous neon sign and all, and for what - another gas station in a tiny town that already has three :(
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #52  
I’ve seen similar but unless eminent domain or tax sale the transfer of ownership was voluntary.

We have historic designated property and what can be done is severely restricted but this also comes with benefits… not being required to ADA the structure might be one as well as other code compliance regs plus possible tax considerations.

It’s a difficult call but often owners or those that inherit opt for the cash out option…
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #53  
Sadly, my native home state of Oregon has seen too much of just that. Outsiders who move in, bulldoze a farm house/ranch house and build that large footprint mansion they so desperately feel they need. Drives rural land prices up and sooner or later the high and mighty insert themselves into local politics and boards with resultant negative changes to entire communities (Salem political bias against farmers and ranchers aside). Once the Cali or otherwise train pulls in, others follow. Bye bye rural Oregon. You'll be hard pressed to find decent acreage 10+ with an honest to goodness real old farmhouse on it. Most have been scraped, and it's a dam shame.
Let me share some of what is so valuable about these "tiny, falling apart" old farm houses. They are anchors in rural communities. They tell the stories of entire generations of hardworking people, they tell the stories of entire casts of characters from days gone by. Most homesteads are forever etched into one oldtimer family last name to easily get across location, even for for a 911 call. Community. History.
My own home started out as a rail depot and post office (current living room) and was added on to by the deceased parents of my neighbor who lived in the home for a time as a kid.
My postal carrier's grandfather told her stories of how there had been an old stagecoach stop and inn here before the rails and depot came in, and before that, there had been a communal well (now under gravel on a county lot adjacent) where pioneers stopped to water their oxen, horses, livestock. I've got several 'pioneer' juniper trees am positive were used for shade during the Oregon Trail days. Later, sheepherders on horseback would use the well to water the herds. When the rails came there were chutes and shipping yards that were just down the road from my house.
During the postal era there was a turnstile before the railroad tracks across the road and a platform with a hook for the mail bags. All gone now of course. They'd load and unload supplies, kerosene etc, store things here in my 'living room'. Mule teams would jingle up and down the canyon going towards the Columbia river and town with wheat and return with supplies.
The cast of characters in my home were varied. A strapping giant Ferrier with black hair and black eyes, described to me by my nonagenarian neighbor to my North as a "fiery sumbitch" from memories of when he was just a kid, another was a local infamous bronc rider, and the list goes on. I've found old stopper bottles, an old leather mule or horse collar amazingly preserved here in the desert climate, various old stove parts, arrowheads, very old buckles and tack hardware, square head nails, lots of interesting odds and ends.
One of the elms in the front yard (that sadly needed taken down) had been planted by my neighbor's dad when that dad was just a teenager. Way over 100 years old. I thought long about taking that tree down and apprised the family of why it needed done, but I was sorry to see it come down, as were they. His father had found a civil war era breechloader rifle hidden in the walls when he went to install insulation in the original depot walls. Quite a find. He added the current 3 bedrooms and bathroom in the 50's, the original outhouse was alongside the barn, the old well and hand pump was off from the house at the old pioneer days well site. These people worked hard under tough conditions here, hard to imagine going out in 0 degree weather with a 40mph wind blowing but dang.
The kitchen has all the original farm cabinets with solid thick hardwood doors. Sturdy yet simple, and tall. On the back side of the kitchen is the old canning closet, rows of many shelves to hold canned goods from garden harvest. The 'septic' consists of dry well pits (which the 'green' crowd are now crowing about) for kitchen and wash water, along with another system that heads out carrying the bath water which supplies water for the huge old Ash tree. The black water sewage goes to two tanks with another eventual 'evaporator box' (enclosed) and this setup has also become the darling of the 'green' crowd that are so 'ahead of the curve' :rolleyes:. This is rural living and it works.
There are some very old corral fence boards made from 30 foot long lumber - I kid you not - hard to pound a nail into them as is most of the thick dense wood used inside the home. Trim boards are bird's eye maple with custom closets (that means real home carpentry), and every board and nail holds a story. I wouldn't trade this house for a freaking modern stick-built or otherwise. I'm proud to own and maintain one of these "nothing worth much in them" old homes, and you can dam well bet if I get so old I can't keep up with the property that I'm not selling to an outsider, nor anyone who would bulldoze this place, there's plenty of land out back zoned for a new home with a new road cut in if they so choose. You have no idea how many people were relieved that the 'someone' who bought the place was a person who cares about not only the house, the land, but also the context of community and history. We're losing not only oral and written local history but local landmarks and the stories of the people who lived and worked in those homes. Case in point, a local eatery my own mother frequented as a teenager way back in the 40's. Torn down, fabulous neon sign and all, and for what - another gas station in a tiny town that already has three :(
My parents bought a farm in 1961 that had one of those houses. It was built in 1920. During the depression, it was used for hay storage. They left the front door open so the horses could get to the hay. At the time, the county had it appraised at $500. Dad put a kitchen/bedroom addition on it, added a second bath, and remodeled the interior, I did the outside with new windows, siding, doors, porch, concrete, etc.

Land consolidation had already started. Dozens of old houses were bulldozed to get them out of the way so the land could be farmed to the property lines. Fence lines were taken out, since nobody had livestock any more, and maintaining fences was too much work. About 1970, the local 2-room grade school closed because there weren't any kids. There were no rentals.

My mother graduated from high school in Mason City, Nebraska. There is no high school there any more. I think there may still be a gas station and farm store, but most businesses are closed. The people are gone. The family farmhouse is gone. Some small towns survived, others turned to virtual or literal ghost towns. A town just south of me made the news a couple years back because the whole town was for sale, with intact water and sewer systems, fire hall not included.
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #54  
(Salem political bias against farmers and ranchers aside). Once the Cali or otherwise train pulls in, others follow. Bye bye rural Oregon.

Well, if you are lucky you'll become a part of Idaho before too long....
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #55  
I've posted this same screenshot recently on another thread; mostly cause there is a lot of bad info out there. I hear all the time, a modular is xyz, but a mobile home is cba. It really all comes down to the building code/regulatory agency over them; a Manufactured home is regulated by HUD (with tie downs inspected by building department), and can be placed on a perm foundation, can have piers, can be on stilts, or old fashion tie downs, can be as small as 8-10 ft wide, and as much as 4 (most I've seen) sections wide, can have 2nd story/basement/ect.

Modular Homes are no different from a site build home as far as codes. Local-state building code; although the vast majority of the inspection is done at the plant. Some can be as little as 2 pieces; to many many modules. They can be placed on piers, stem walls, basements, raised in the air on wooden stilts, ect. Some/many retain the metal frame and/or axles; but others are craned from a delivery base onto a slab on grade or other foundation, with no 'trailer frame' remaining.

Both can run a huge diverse list of materials, specs, finishes, ect. Many manufacturered homes now use standard exterior/interior doors. I dont 'think' any still use the 1/8" wood paneling as the 1970s, or the 3/8" drywall of the late 80s/early 90s. Both are engineered, and meet a building code/windload, although it's not the exact same code mod vs man.View attachment 872624
Building codes are the minimum legal requirements. Build quality is far more than just the building codes.

Part of this thread is about what appears to be mobile tiny homes which do get different codes than the traditional frame houses. "Travel Trailers" typically have 1 1/2" framing, and minimum insulation. I don't know how those super-sized ones are built, but I don't have a lot of faith in them.

Most of the trailers I've seen the guts of have been from the 1970's, and they aren't pretty. An acquaintance is living in an 8x30 or 8x40 trailer now. The exterior door crumbled a couple of years ago. 2x2 framing glued together with thin plastic/aluminum skins? I repaired it with a welded aluminum frame that I believe is holding up just fine. The manufacture could have used aluminum framing, but didn't care to do the work. That trailer now has some major wiring issues that I need to trace out. Funky open back electrical boxes with the wires just punched in no wire nuts... daisy chained together... odd stuff.

As far as manufactured homes, and frame built homes, I've had some experience with them. Not a lot of in depth recently. I looked at a demo manufactured house in the 1990's. I was just aghast that they had unsupported sheetrock covering the top of the closet door sliders. Touch that and you have a crumbly hole.

There is a little wiggle room in the electrical code. 15A plugs are legal with both 12 AWG (20A) and 14 AWG (15A) wiring. We built our house with 100% 12AWG or larger wire. Every plug is on a 20A circuit. Now, 45 years later, with the increasing use of electronics, I'm glad we did that, although lighting circuits are going from incandescent to LED with lower power use.

On the other hand, manufactured homes just use 14 AWG wiring with as much strung onto a single circuit as they can get away with.

I won't touch particle board for anything that is permanent. I definitely won't have any particle board in kitchen or bathroom cabinets. You can guess what the building material of choice is in manufactured homes.

I expect my parent's house to last for generations, long after I'm planted.

The neighbor's manufactured home might last until the mortgage is paid off.
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #56  
It's like anything, you can get pretty much whatever you want. You want to site build with 15amp interior breakers, using 14 ga; that's still allowed. If you don't spec full exterior sheathing, and they can make the sheer wall calcs work, a site build home can have not full wall sheathing. Most production houses, all the hidden stuff that really matters, is going to min spec/code, unless you spec (and pay for) more than min. Now, you can have a site build home spec 5/8" roof sheathing, 12 ga wire, 2x6 walls, whatever; and although you can order a lot of options in a manufactured/modular, they are fighting certain limitations of weight, length, height. You can get hardi board on a manufactured or vinyl on a site build; but full thickness brick, that's not really possible due to weight, transport issues, like balance, vibration, ect.

Park Models; not really sure if they are treated as an RV that looks like a manufactured home, or if they are just small/light/narrow manufactured homes. Don't know if they are designed to be easily relocated, if they have jacks or piers, ect. Most places, a building permit would be needed to inspect tie downs on a manufactured; but if they are an RV, they wouldn't need inspection (of the set up) anywhere I'm aware of.
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #57  
Park Models; not really sure if they are treated as an RV that looks like a manufactured home, or if they are just small/light/narrow manufactured homes. Don't know if they are designed to be easily relocated, if they have jacks or piers, ect. Most places, a building permit would be needed to inspect tie downs on a manufactured; but if they are an RV, they wouldn't need inspection (of the set up) anywhere I'm aware of.

Perhaps there is a reason all the reporters head to the nearest trailer park every time a tornado touches down back East.
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #58  
As all things, it's a balancing act too; as manufactered homes add additional features/finishes/luxuries, the prices get up there too. I've seen some that are in the High $300s, with just the home, set up, skirting and AC. By the time, on those upper end ones, you add well, septic, cleaning, you are at $450 and then land price. Not sure I would want to pay $450 for a manufactured; if you could fine a decent scatter lot builder, that doesn't take 18 months to finish a dang single family home...

It's been a While ago, when I was building a small charter school, a local guy asked "does anyone still build a 'Jim Walters' home?" Not that I know of. Not 100% how many homes where actually a Jim Walter's home vs it became a term for a basic 2/1 or 3/1, rectangle, gable roof, with really basic features. I think they were pretty much exclusively stem wall or peir, and cut a lot of other corners to turn out very basic site build housing for cheap. I also think you could have one build with out finishes, like flooring, and that part of const was on the owner.
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #59  
Sadly, my native home state of Oregon has seen too much of just that. Outsiders who move in, bulldoze a farm house/ranch house and build that large footprint mansion they so desperately feel they need. Drives rural land prices up and sooner or later the high and mighty insert themselves into local politics and boards with resultant negative changes to entire communities (Salem political bias against farmers and ranchers aside). Once the Cali or otherwise train pulls in, others follow. Bye bye rural Oregon. You'll be hard pressed to find decent acreage 10+ with an honest to goodness real old farmhouse on it. Most have been scraped, and it's a dam shame.
Let me share some of what is so valuable about these "tiny, falling apart" old farm houses. They are anchors in rural communities. They tell the stories of entire generations of hardworking people, they tell the stories of entire casts of characters from days gone by. Most homesteads are forever etched into one oldtimer family last name to easily get across location, even for for a 911 call. Community. History.
My own home started out as a rail depot and post office (current living room) and was added on to by the deceased parents of my neighbor who lived in the home for a time as a kid.
My postal carrier's grandfather told her stories of how there had been an old stagecoach stop and inn here before the rails and depot came in, and before that, there had been a communal well (now under gravel on a county lot adjacent) where pioneers stopped to water their oxen, horses, livestock. I've got several 'pioneer' juniper trees am positive were used for shade during the Oregon Trail days. Later, sheepherders on horseback would use the well to water the herds. When the rails came there were chutes and shipping yards that were just down the road from my house.
During the postal era there was a turnstile before the railroad tracks across the road and a platform with a hook for the mail bags. All gone now of course. They'd load and unload supplies, kerosene etc, store things here in my 'living room'. Mule teams would jingle up and down the canyon going towards the Columbia river and town with wheat and return with supplies.
The cast of characters in my home were varied. A strapping giant Ferrier with black hair and black eyes, described to me by my nonagenarian neighbor to my North as a "fiery sumbitch" from memories of when he was just a kid, another was a local infamous bronc rider, and the list goes on. I've found old stopper bottles, an old leather mule or horse collar amazingly preserved here in the desert climate, various old stove parts, arrowheads, very old buckles and tack hardware, square head nails, lots of interesting odds and ends.
One of the elms in the front yard (that sadly needed taken down) had been planted by my neighbor's dad when that dad was just a teenager. Way over 100 years old. I thought long about taking that tree down and apprised the family of why it needed done, but I was sorry to see it come down, as were they. His father had found a civil war era breechloader rifle hidden in the walls when he went to install insulation in the original depot walls. Quite a find. He added the current 3 bedrooms and bathroom in the 50's, the original outhouse was alongside the barn, the old well and hand pump was off from the house at the old pioneer days well site. These people worked hard under tough conditions here, hard to imagine going out in 0 degree weather with a 40mph wind blowing but dang.
The kitchen has all the original farm cabinets with solid thick hardwood doors. Sturdy yet simple, and tall. On the back side of the kitchen is the old canning closet, rows of many shelves to hold canned goods from garden harvest. The 'septic' consists of dry well pits (which the 'green' crowd are now crowing about) for kitchen and wash water, along with another system that heads out carrying the bath water which supplies water for the huge old Ash tree. The black water sewage goes to two tanks with another eventual 'evaporator box' (enclosed) and this setup has also become the darling of the 'green' crowd that are so 'ahead of the curve' :rolleyes:. This is rural living and it works.
There are some very old corral fence boards made from 30 foot long lumber - I kid you not - hard to pound a nail into them as is most of the thick dense wood used inside the home. Trim boards are bird's eye maple with custom closets (that means real home carpentry), and every board and nail holds a story. I wouldn't trade this house for a freaking modern stick-built or otherwise. I'm proud to own and maintain one of these "nothing worth much in them" old homes, and you can dam well bet if I get so old I can't keep up with the property that I'm not selling to an outsider, nor anyone who would bulldoze this place, there's plenty of land out back zoned for a new home with a new road cut in if they so choose. You have no idea how many people were relieved that the 'someone' who bought the place was a person who cares about not only the house, the land, but also the context of community and history. We're losing not only oral and written local history but local landmarks and the stories of the people who lived and worked in those homes. Case in point, a local eatery my own mother frequented as a teenager way back in the 40's. Torn down, fabulous neon sign and all, and for what - another gas station in a tiny town that already has three :(
A lot of things have changed. Unfortunately the generational farms are vanishing.

When I was younger, we had a neighborhood dairy farm. Single driveway with two houses, grandparents and parents. Each of the kids went in different directions. The eldest son bought a farm in Eastern Oregon. By the time I was in my 30's, the family sold the dairy. I haven't kept up with it, but I'm pretty sure it has now been split into several small acreages. The dairy cows have been gone for years.

When my parents bought 30 acres, it was a chunk off of what was probably one of the original homesteads that the road was named after (although the seller had a different name by that time). I don't remember the original farm size, but perhaps 80 acres or so. We bought 30, then later added an additional 20 acres for 50. Two 5 acre parcels were also sold, and I think another 20 acres or so went with the old farm house and original barn.

By that time, it was a "hobby farm", but at 20 acres, we kept it as a working farm.

Somehow my parents hadn't ever planned on keeping the farm in the family. My life took me in diverging directions, but I wish we had found a way for me to acquire adjoining property, and keep an anchor to the family property.

45 years ago my parents were the newcomers to the neighborhood. Now my mother is one of the long-term families in the neighborhood, and eventually she'll be gone. There was an older couple living the "farming life" up on the hill. Couple hundred acres, enough to barely make by with it. But everything I hear is that there is one remaining matriarch, and then after she goes, everything will likely be sliced and diced and sold. And the dozers will be coming for the two houses on that hill very quickly.
 
   / I'm not some HMO Karen,, but whats going on in Rural Lane County Oregon just seems crazy. #60  
It's like anything, you can get pretty much whatever you want. You want to site build with 15amp interior breakers, using 14 ga; that's still allowed. If you don't spec full exterior sheathing, and they can make the sheer wall calcs work, a site build home can have not full wall sheathing. Most production houses, all the hidden stuff that really matters, is going to min spec/code, unless you spec (and pay for) more than min. Now, you can have a site build home spec 5/8" roof sheathing, 12 ga wire, 2x6 walls, whatever; and although you can order a lot of options in a manufactured/modular, they are fighting certain limitations of weight, length, height. You can get hardi board on a manufactured or vinyl on a site build; but full thickness brick, that's not really possible due to weight, transport issues, like balance, vibration, ect.

Park Models; not really sure if they are treated as an RV that looks like a manufactured home, or if they are just small/light/narrow manufactured homes. Don't know if they are designed to be easily relocated, if they have jacks or piers, ect. Most places, a building permit would be needed to inspect tie downs on a manufactured; but if they are an RV, they wouldn't need inspection (of the set up) anywhere I'm aware of.
Park models are RVs and can be moved with a 1 ton pretty easy. Made for RV parks to offer rentals or people to leave set up long term. I would not want to move them a lot.
Usually are not made to boon dock, need utilities.
 

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