Ethanol Free Gas

[Mtsoxfan]

We are in the path of totality, wouldn't have an issue with anyone parking in field. I've said it might be a good revenue source, but for this, it's not me. There are BnB's offering weekend packages that city dwellers might cough up $1000 for. 2 nights, 2 meals a day, a "guest" speaker etc.
And yes, our media is just like yours, prepare, prepare, prepare. Kinda like when Y2K was happening.

 

[two_bit_score]

That’s crazy. I’m surprised people are so bold to publicly advertise what is sure to be large amounts of unreported income like that.
Maybe I worry too much. I’d wake up fearing the city or someone local with the IRS would take notice

Easy fix. Report it. I don't know how big the lot was where he was going to park the cars but If he got 50 cars in there that would be $10,000 in one day. I wouldn't mind paying income tax on that. I would see having to clean up a lot of trash, renting some porta potties, liability insurance, etc. I wouldn't want 50 cars in my yard but if it was a cleared lot, and I could net $7,500 in a day without too much trouble I might.

But I would never pay someone $200 to park and watch the eclipse.

 

[jyoutz]

We're hovering right around $3 a gallon right now for Regular with Ethanol. It's gone up .20 cents a gallon in the last two weeks.

I've mowed three times so far this year and I'm about out of Ehanal free gas, so it's going to be interesting to see what that costs when I buy some during the week.

The eclipse is freaking everyone out here, so that's gonna drive up prices too. Crazy how the cities and politicians are in a panic over it. I'm not sure if I believe them about so many people coming here to see it, or if they are just being typical nut jobs, and over reacting, so they can brag about doing something.

The local news is telling everyone to stock up on food and fill up your gas tanks before the weekend. It doesn't make any sense to me, but if everyone else is in a panic, it's smart to stock up. I learned that during the great toilet paper shortage!!

Yeah, regular was $3.01 when I filled yesterday, $3.05 last week, and $2.52 last month. The summer blend must be out.

 

[EddieWalker]

I wasn't very interested in the eclipse until the schools started announcing that they would be closed and some cities Declared Emergencies to handle all the people expected to be in those cities. Austin seems to be just shy of total panic over the eclipse.

My clients are going to a big church BBQ for it, so I'm taking the day off and hoping to enjoy a 3 day weekend.

My wife bough the glasses to see it, and a filter for our cameras. So now I guess we're going to make a "thing" out of it.

According to the map, we're at the edge of the total eclipse. My other farm in Mabank is pretty close to dead center, but it's 62 miles away and I'm not going to drive that far to see if it's any better there then it is here.

 

[goeduck]

Yeah, regular was $3.01 when I filled yesterday, $3.05 last week, and $2.52 last month. The summer blend must be out.

$4.29 regular with ethanol here now. Ethanol free is $4.77.
The Governor put a 50-cent tax on each gallon for climate, falsely telling us it would cost pennies and the oil companies would pay it. Well, we know how that worked, the oil companies passed it on to the pump price. That legislation goes on the ballot later this year and I hope it fails. Mostly the money flows into the big cities for public transportation, bike lanes, EV chargers, etc. That is all good, but the big cities should pay for those. Some trickles out to the rural counties, but it is so small nothing happens.

 

[DarkBlack]

Just filled at $5.29 regular per gallon with Ethanol.

That’s nuts.
1/2 of that is just tax imposed by your government.
I imagine you already know that…

 

[jyoutz]

$4.29 regular with ethanol here now. Ethanol free is $4.77.
The Governor put a 50-cent tax on each gallon for climate, falsely telling us it would cost pennies and the oil companies would pay it. Well, we know how that worked, the oil companies passed it on to the pump price. That legislation goes on the ballot later this year and I hope it fails. Mostly the money flows into the big cities for public transportation, bike lanes, EV chargers, etc. That is all good, but the big cities should pay for those. Some trickles out to the rural counties, but it is so small nothing happens.

It’s that way everywhere. The rural areas always get the crumbs left over. I live in southern Santa Fe county. Santa Fe (state capitol) is in the northern part of the county and gets almost all of the tax dollars, and we might get a road graded occasionally or see a sheriff pass by in the rural areas.

 

[ultrarunner]

That’s nuts.
1/2 of that is just tax imposed by your government.
I imagine you already know that…

And we have refineries and reserves ..

 

[Too many Kubotas]

It’s that way everywhere. The rural areas always get the crumbs left over. I live in southern Santa Fe county. Santa Fe (state capitol) is in the northern part of the county and gets almost all of the tax dollars, and we might get a road graded occupancy or see a sheriff pass by in the rural areas.

Then you can imagine what it's like in the northern part of the state.

 

[newbury]

It doesn't make any sense to me, but if everyone else is in a panic, it's smart to stock up. I learned that during the great toilet paper shortage!!

Which one? 1973 or 2020?
Try to stay stocked up for a 6 month "crisis" on non-perishables. Buy in bulk.
Taught by my Grandfather.
Now it seems that that practice is termed being a "prepper", I always just thought
it was prudent.

 

[big bubba]

way back when i'd look for dial your octane Sunoco... now i just hit the local non ethanol 91 for 3.95 today, regards

 

[NoTrespassing]

The EPA is allowing Illinois and a bunch of other states to sell E15 year-round now. I'm not happy about it and pumps have new stickers on them. The sticker I read last night said not to run E15 in anything pre-2001.

 

[DarkBlack]

The EPA is allowing Illinois and a bunch of other states to sell E15 year-round now. I'm not happy about it and pumps have new stickers on them. The sticker I read last night said not to run E15 in anything pre-2001.

From DOE themselves

Fun, fun

 

[DarkBlack]

Really intelligent people writing for Iowa. E15 contains 50% more ethanol than E10. Not 5%.
And after all this time, nobody noticed and corrected it? Done on purpose to fool the sheep?

 

[NoTrespassing]

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Really intelligent people writing for Iowa. E15 contains 50% more ethanol than E10. Not 5%.
And after all this time, nobody noticed and corrected it? Done on purpose to fool the sheep?

Yep, follow the money. And no mention of fewer mpg with that crap.

 

[Torvy]

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Really intelligent people writing for Iowa. E15 contains 50% more ethanol than E10. Not 5%.
And after all this time, nobody noticed and corrected it? Done on purpose to fool the sheep?

Good point. I think it is more likely ignorance than purposeful. Many people don't understand that a 5 percentage point change is not the same thing as a 5% change.

 

[dodge man]

So far I haven’t seen E15 in Illinois, I’d run it in my truck but not our cars. My truck is ok to run E85 in.

 

[zzvyb6]

Ethanol has been added to 'gasoline' because it burns cooler and thus reduces nitrous oxide emissions that have to be cleaned up by your catalytic converter. With less EGR needed to make it cook better, your engine is no longer adding lots of unburned fuel to heat the converter up to operating temperatures and keep it there.
Keep in your mind that the emissions controls in your vehicles are not trying to be more efficient, they are reducing oxides of nitrogen which is a component of 'smog'.
And this is a Clean Air Act Federal requirement.

Unfortunately, the eyhanol als tends to dissolve 'o' rings and seals that were not formulated for the stuff. AND, left alone in small engine carburetors, it dissolves the aluminum & zinc parts over time. That's the white schmutz you find in the carb float boal. ! Like it ?. Love it ? You want some of it ?
I worked with these systems at GM. BTW: the 'learning time' to recognize new fuel mixtures is about the same time as it takes to recover from a dead or disconnected battery. If you want even more 'boost', toss a few mothballs into your gas tank !

 

[NoTrespassing]

Ethanol has been added to 'gasoline' because it burns cooler and thus reduces nitrous oxide emissions that have to be cleaned up by your catalytic converter. With less EGR needed to make it cook better, your engine is no longer adding lots of unburned fuel to heat the converter up to operating temperatures and keep it there.
Keep in your mind that the emissions controls in your vehicles are not trying to be more efficient, they are reducing oxides of nitrogen which is a component of 'smog'.
And this is a Clean Air Act Federal requirement.

Unfortunately, the eyhanol als tends to dissolve 'o' rings and seals that were not formulated for the stuff. AND, left alone in small engine carburetors, it dissolves the aluminum & zinc parts over time. That's the white schmutz you find in the carb float boal. ! Like it ?. Love it ? You want some of it ?
I worked with these systems at GM. BTW: the 'learning time' to recognize new fuel mixtures is about the same time as it takes to recover from a dead or disconnected battery. If you want even more 'boost', toss a few mothballs into your gas tank !

I burn more of it to go the same distance when compared to gasoline without ethanol. I'm not talking about a tablespoon more, I'm talking about a 10% reduction in real world mileage. This was in a 2008 Hyundai Accent driving the same route week after week for comparison. I'm going to burn a few tanks of straight gas in my 2018 Mazda for comparison and report back. I'm currently getting 40mpg with E10 summer blend.

 

[DarkBlack]

Ethanol has been added to 'gasoline' because it burns cooler and thus reduces nitrous oxide emissions that have to be cleaned up by your catalytic converter. With less EGR needed to make it cook better, your engine is no longer adding lots of unburned fuel to heat the converter up to operating temperatures and keep it there.

That’s an interesting view you have there. I don’t think “ethanol has been added to gasoline because, it burns cooler”. Pretty sure it’s mandated for other political reasons,
Straight ethanol burns at a very slightly lower temperature than straight gasoline does. Like 3% lower temperature.
At 10, or 15% concentrations, the temperature difference is almost negligible.
The whole process of internal combustion engines is simply turning heat, into pressure, resulting in piston movement. You can’t say it burns cooler, without admitting it will result in less pressure/power. The adjustment, of course, is more ethanol is fed to the engine to produce the same power. Since ethanol contains oxygen, an engine can produce more power, but it’s consuming more fuel.

The big ethanol lobby industry has had ample time and funding to convince people, that ethanol is better for the environment ( regarding your EGR, catalytic comments), but the fact is, you’ll find studies have shown reductions in some pollutants, but increases in others, when comparing 85% E85.
Not very impressive for so much lobbying money.
Lastly, regarding burning cooler, this video shows how engines not computer controlled, will most likely run hotter, not cooler.