1025R vs GC1720 vs BX25 vs emax 22

[Jarrod32]

I looked at the same tractors that you are looking at about a year ago when I purchased. From what I could tell, any of them would have served my needs nicely. I have nothing bad to say about any of them. I went with the Deere 1025r for a few reasons:

The two separate hydrostat foot pedals. I think a rocker pedal would have driven me nuts. Matter of personal preference, though, I suppose.
Quick attach loader...this was a big deal for me.
Dealer is about a half mile away. Close enough for me to drive my tractor to if need be. Other dealers were all 30-40 minutes away.
Deere had a good financing program (0%,two implement deal) at the time I bought that LS did not have.

LS was a close second choice. A lot of tractor for the money there. Just a few little things that tilted me to the Deere...and they really were a matter of personal preference. I didn't think any of the tractors were any better or worse than any other. Just got down to features and dealer.

 

[94BULLITT]

Didn't Kioti buy the stuff from Shibaru to make a SCUT? The Kioti SCUT is the same as the old New Holland SCUT.

 

[TSO]

Didn't Kioti buy the stuff from Shibaru to make a SCUT? The Kioti SCUT is the same as the old New Holland SCUT.

Never heard that ... Doesn't make much sense though, I don't see Daedong needing someone else's design for a small tractor, they've been building tractors for a long time.

 

[94BULLITT]

Never heard that ... Doesn't make much sense though, I don't see Daedong needing someone else's design for a small tractor, they've been building tractors for a long time.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-buying-pricing/234514-kioti-cs2410-2.html

 

[TSO]

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-buying-pricing/234514-kioti-cs2410-2.html

Wow no kidding ... That's interesting. So, according to that thread ... Daedong is producing them, after buying the design/tooling? Or is Shibaura still building them for Kioti?

 

[94BULLITT]

Wow no kidding ... That's interesting. So, according to that thread ... Daedong is producing them, after buying the design/tooling? Or is Shibaura still building them for Kioti?

Daedong bought the tooling from Shibauru.

 

[Cherokee140]

My two bits are....all of the "major players" make a good machine. Dealers however can and do vary greatly. I would say figure the features you want/like then shop those features....then after you decide I want to buy X machine, start looking for a dealer. Buy from the one that you think will treat you right.

 

[flienlow]

The reason you are finding many more BX25's available than GC1710's is because Kubota sells a lot more of them than MF sells of the GC1710. There may be a reason for that. The sales volume alone would suggest that the BX25 is not a pile. If it was, you would be reading about all the problems here on TBN.

If you've read much here on the BX25, I suspect most of what you've read has been positive. I'm sure the BX25 isn't perfect (because no tractor is) but the overall experience of owners seems to be positive. I have its older brother, the BX23, and it has been great.

I'm sure the MF GC1710 is a great little tractor too. And if that's the one you really want, then I'm sure one will turn up sooner or later if you're patient. Life is short, and you should buy the one you really want.

From what I have been reading it "seems" the BX25 has slow and lethargic hydraulics, and not enough power to get up a hill with hydro stat. This may not even be the case, but I have been reading enough where it is enough for me to take serious pause. Not sure how the forward and reverse would affect me, but for the price of them, they should be as good as john deere for the money, but are not. If this tractor was...say $15,000 I would buy it, but its 18900 where I am from. I have a buy bid at $16,000 for a GC1710 (no 1720's available)

 

[94BULLITT]

From what I have been reading it "seems" the BX25 has slow and lethargic hydraulics, and not enough power to get up a hill with hydro stat. This may not even be the case, but I have been reading enough where it is enough for me to take serious pause. Not sure how the forward and reverse would affect me, but for the price of them, they should be as good as john deere for the money, but are not. If this tractor was...say $15,000 I would buy it, but its 18900 where I am from. I have a buy bid at $16,000 for a GC1710 (no 1720's available)

Where did you read the BX has problems going up hill? I mow some pretty steep stuff without a problem. I've never had problems pulling various implements, trees, cars, trucks or what ever. The hydro has plenty of power.

 

[flienlow]

Where did you read the BX has problems going up hill? I mow some pretty steep stuff without a problem. I've never had problems pulling various implements, trees, cars, trucks or what ever. The hydro has plenty of power.

I read that throughout my searching, and no one one specific page. I believe it was going up hill in high range.

IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE, so be it. Back in the day they would drop you off a tractor for a demo and you could try it. No so much anymore. Whatever I buy I just don't want to be disappointed, or realize the I bought the wrong tractor. I do feel that slow hydraulics would annoy me.

 

[TSO]

I read that throughout my searching, and no one one specific page. I believe it was going up hill in high range.

IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE, so be it. Back in the day they would drop you off a tractor for a demo and you could try it. No so much anymore. Whatever I buy I just don't want to be disappointed, or realize the I bought the wrong tractor. I do feel that slow hydraulics would annoy me.

That will happen with pretty much any HST in high range, not just the Kubota, and not just in that size, because it happens all the way up to the largest CUT'S

 

[flienlow]

That will happen with pretty much any HST in high range, not just the Kubota, and not just in that size, because it happens all the way up to the largest CUT'S

Small price to pay. (My gear shifting days are over) Now that I think about it, my Mother has a JD4200 that gets a little slow with the hydro on a hill, But not bad.

In truth, There is probably no bad choice only slightly better for different reasons.

 

[Olympus]

The problem is related to the small hydro pumps. The BX will not operate the loader at idle spend, not even empty. Not enough hydro pressure. This was a huge negative to me. I like the ability to make small and slow loader adjustments when working in sensitive areas and projects.

My LS 2023 has no problem with high range. I keep it there all the time unless I'm doing dirt and gravel work. I do everything in the 1400 to 1500rpm range.

 

[Code54]

The BX will have no problems on hills but it is made to rev. It is not a low idle machine where you just have it at idle all day. Rev it up and run it and you will not be disappointed. When I first got it I had to get used to that but found it really does not affect anything. You can be just as slow and detailed with the loader with the motor running higher RPMs on any quality machine.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

The BX will have no problems on hills but it is made to rev. It is not a low idle machine where you just have it at idle all day. Rev it up and run it and you will not be disappointed. When I first got it I had to get used to that but found it really does not affect anything. You can be just as slow and detailed with the loader with the motor running higher RPMs on any quality machine.

And even at high revs, the BX will just sip fuel at a leisurely rate. Well, my BX23 does anyway.

 

[Olympus]

The BX will have no problems on hills but it is made to rev. It is not a low idle machine where you just have it at idle all day. Rev it up and run it and you will not be disappointed. When I first got it I had to get used to that but found it really does not affect anything. You can be just as slow and detailed with the loader with the motor running higher RPMs on any quality machine.

I don't think it's "made to rev". I think that's more of a secondary result to having a smaller hydro pump.

 

[Code54]

Actually with some research you will see that engine is made to be run continuously at the higher rpm without any reliability issues. There is a BIG difference between a 800 RPM ship engine and our little Kubota power plants. Granted the smaller pumps have a need for the higher RPM thus the reason this type of engine is used.

 

[Olympus]

That's essentially what I'm saying. The engine may be designed to run at higher RPMs, but it's being used in the first place because of the pump. It's the pump that's dictating the engine.

 

[antlers125]

You definitely haven't done enough research on LS. They have been making tractors for many years. Like stated before they make tractors for quite a few brands - I purchased a J2023 for $12300.00. Try doing side by side comparisons. The lift capabilities on the J2023 is comparable to 27 to 30hp competition tractors at 30% to 40% less cost. I did alot of researching & in the end the LS is hard to beat.

I have a little update on my quest. After reviewing and shopping I am finding this.

Kioti- great tractor. not great for a backhoe, or ergos for me

Kubota- Expensive for what you get. A lot of preconceived issues with performance of hydraulics. So far this tractor BX25 is sized about right for me (along with the Kioti)

Mahindra- I think I will avoid this tractor. ALL OF THEM look like **** on the lot and they are all brand new. Lots of surface rust, and fading plastic. - Not only that, but not really a deal so why bother?

John Deere- Fantastic tractor, but I think it is going to be too big for the place that I live in. Its not a whole lot bigger than the Kubota, but it is. I fear that extra couple of inches may haunt me. Still undecided. Have a great bid for one at 193000 out the the door including 7.7% tax.

Massey Ferguson. 2 hour drive away from me and they dont have one int stock.
quote from a dealer even farther away
"MFGC1720 w/ R-4 Industrial Tires and a 12" Bucket $18,500.00 and payment of $252.52 @3.49 for 84mo.

MFGC1710 w/ R-4 Industrial Tires and 12" Bucket $17,500.

Delivery from us to you $450.
"
I would really like to see this tractor in person, but they are far far away if something happens.

LS Tractor- Called and talk to remote dealer. he was too busy to engage over the phone and price over phone indicted they more expensive then anything else. I think I am going to pass on an expensive no name tractor - Just me.

 

[Code54]

That's essentially what I'm saying. The engine may be designed to run at higher RPMs, but it's being used in the first place because of the pump. It's the pump that's dictating the engine.

I follow you now- also I apologize if that sounded "harsh" really wasn't meaning it in that way.