2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE!

   / 2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE!
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The thing about the Ecoboost is I see a lot of them around my area, but I rarely see any of them doing any work or pulling anything substantial besides a small utility trailer or something. The farmers tend to prefer the V8 F-150's and V8 GM's. You'll see a good many gas 3/4 ton's around here and diesels also. That's not saying the Ecoboost is a bad engine or anything, it's just not that popular with the heavy towing crowd around my area. There's a good many of them driving around town but that's about it. The main reason I was interested in the 5.0 is I've seen what that engine can do and how reliable it is, plus it sounds sweet. I kept laughing to myself when I was looking at trucks at the Ford dealerships and how they couldn't believe I was looking for the 5.0 and not an Ecoboost.

Go to the camp grounds and marinas. I bet 6 out of 10 1/2 tons are the Eco Boost trucks.

Chris
 
   / 2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE! #52  
Did you watch it? Not saying the others are not doing the same but GM has themselves in a big hole. 83 billion in repairs to make and got caught knowingly covering up issues for 10 plus years.

Well see how they make out. I think they will be belly up again in 3 years or less.

Chris

$83 Billion in repairs...Are you serious?...Good grief...The whole premise of this absurd thread has been proven.

BTW: I've had CNBC on since 6am while working and not one word about a potential $83 BILLION GM liability..I would thing that would be splashed everywhere if true.

Also, a 23K lease residual on your dads truck doesn't show a ton of Black Book confidence if true. I got more than that on a 2011 GMC 6.2 4x4 with 50k on the clock. Same age, time adjusted.
 
   / 2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE!
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$83 Billion in repairs...Are you serious?...Good grief...The whole premise of this absurd thread has been proven. BTW: I've had CNBC on since 6am while working and not one word about a potential $83 BILLION GM liability..I would thing that would be splashed everywhere if true. Also, a 23K lease residual on your dads truck doesn't show a ton of Black Book confidence if true. I got more than that on a 2011 GMC 6.2 4x4 with 50k on the clock. Same age, time adjusted.

The show clearly stated that the potential damage to GM is 83 billion. We all know they will never pay that much but it shows how deep this is for them.

As for the Residual. Remember, this truck was leased for 36 months at $440 per month. That's $15,800 in lease payments. Deduct that from the sticker, say $40,000 and that leaves $24,000. About the number I can buy it for. Look at what they are selling for. All the used ones in my area are $30,000 to $35,000. I am stealing this truck. I have a $22,750 offer on my 08 Titan with 89,000 miles. I would be a fool to not work this 3 way deal and get a nearly new better truck for under $3000 out of pocket after taxes, title, and my dealer getting a few coins in his pocket. Plus he gets to sell my father his new truck when it comes in around mid June.

Chris
 
   / 2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE! #54  
Personally I have had one salesman at dealer in Wawa and both the sales and service managers at Highland Ford tell me to stay away from the Eco-Boost. They told me if I were to buy an F-150 they would stay with the 5.0. Also told me the Eco's aren't getting the mileage they advertise.

Stay away? I thought they were pushing the ecoboost. I would agree, they don't get the advertised mileage but they get a heck of a lot better milage than the 6.2 liter it replaces. They are getting about the same as the 5.0 with a whole lot better torque curve.
 
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I give GM kudos for finding 477 trucks with a problem. There are millions of other brands with suspension problems that are on the current owner to find, repair and pay for.

Some math..This is 0.072% of the overall sales and might be even lower...Probably one guy on a couple of shifts or something...

You try making a QA finding on that percentage...Good grief...Another anti-GM hit piece..Mostly the reason a rarely post or read this web-site anymore...The passive bashing has gotten downright stupid.

Maybe they installed the wrong nut on the tie rod:confused3:
 
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The show clearly stated that the potential damage to GM is 83 billion. We all know they will never pay that much but it shows how deep this is for them.


Chris

Potential damage is always exaggerated. That's like saying a criminal faces potential life in prison and all along every similar case is sentenced for probation and a fine. Besides, you (and I) may get to bail them out again because obama needs to pay off the unions again to quiet them down over delaying the Keystone pipeline.
 
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I'd like to see some support for the claim: "FORD - built without your tax dollars."

This makes me think otherwise: “We have an historic opportunity to help ensure that the next generation of fuel-efficient cars and trucks are made in America,” President Barack Obama said in a statement on June 23, 2009 announcing the loans to Ford and two others. Energy Secretary Steven Chu added: “By supporting key technologies and sound business plans, we can jumpstart the production of fuel efficient vehicles in America. These investments will come back to our country many times over – by creating new jobs, reducing our dependence on oil, and reducing our greenhouse gas emissions.”

No company was a bigger beneficiary of the DOE’s green car funding initiative than Ford. It received two-thirds of the $8.8 billion loaned under the department’s Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing program. Congress appropriated $25 billion for that program in late 2008, during the waning days of the Bush Administration, around the same time the auto company CEOs were getting grilled on Capitol Hill.<<<
Automakers' Report Card: Who Still Owes Taxpayers Money? The Answer Might Surprise You - Forbes

Here is another; A Ford TV ad slams competitors for accepting bailout funds, even though the company’s CEO lobbied for the bill. The company — the only one of the Big Three not to receive a bailout — feared a collapse of GM and Chrysler at the time would have hurt suppliers and, in turn, Ford itself. Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan R. Mulally also asked Congress for a “credit line” of up to $9 billion in case the economy worsened.
In other words, Ford was for government bailouts before it was against them.
Although Ford did not need money from the $80 billion bailout program, Ford did receive $5.9 billion in government loans in 2009 to retool its manufacturing plants to produce more fuel-efficient cars, and the company lobbied for and benefited from the cash-for-clunkers program — contrary to the ad’s testimonial that Ford is “standing on their own.”<<<
Ford Motor Co. Does U-turn on Bailouts

And another: "Set up in 2008, the CPFF helped companies obtain high-interest, short-term loans -- known as commerical paper -- during the height of the international credit crunch. Some outlets, such as Fox Business, have referred to the program as the "commercial paper bailout."

Hyde correctly points out that Ford's credit arm registered to sell the federal government around $16 billion in commercial paper. Like the financing wing of most automakers -- Toyota, BMW, GMAC and Chrysler also participated -- Ford found itself in need of liquidity when the lending markets dried up.

But what Hyde (and more glaringly, his headline) incorrectly suggests is that Ford's borrowing was a secret. Spokeswoman Brenda Hines told Bloomberg back in October of 2008 that Ford Credit had applied for the program.

Fellow Ford spokeswoman Christin Baker this week pointed out that Ford reported its participation in the CPFF in its public SEC filings. She also said Ford participated in the Federal Reserve's Term Asset-Backed Security Loan Facility, noting that "these two programs addressed systematic failure in the credit markets, and that neither program was designed for a particular company, or even a particular industry.

"Ford was a fractional participant in both of these credit programs, and the federal government made healthy returns on all of these limited transactions."

Bottom line? Yes, Ford's credit arm participated in a federal program meant to free up short-term lending at a time when very few investors were spending. It's no secret
Did Ford take 'secret government money' while earning praise for avoiding bailout? | MLive.com

Now DP, or anyone else could find as many or more links that say "Ford didn't take bailout money". THAT is not the same as "built without your tax dollars". It sure looks like that claim is unsupportable to me.

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   / 2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE! #59  
As for the Residual. Remember, this truck was leased for 36 months at $440 per month. That's $15,800 in lease payments. Deduct that from the sticker, say $40,000 and that leaves $24,000. About the number I can buy it for.Chris

A residual value is a number based on the projected value of a vehicle based on the lease duration and mileage at the end of the lease. The amount of the monthly payment is a result of the residual value plus the number the dealer sold the vehicle for divided by the months in the lease term plus the money factor.

Looks like the dealer made a great deal of profit on this lease.
 
   / 2014 GM trucks recalled. DON'T DRIVE!
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A residual value is a number based on the projected value of a vehicle based on the lease duration and mileage at the end of the lease. The amount of the monthly payment is a result of the residual value plus the number the dealer sold the vehicle for divided by the months in the lease term plus the money factor.

Looks like the dealer made a great deal of profit on this lease.

Yea. The residuals were all off coming off the big scare with trucks and gas prices back then. Today you can lease the same truck for $100 less or better.

I offered Ford Credit $21,000 and they said no! They said wholesale was about $28,000. I'm getting it at a steal buying out my dad at $23,000.

I have no doubt I will get my $23,000 back in 2 to 3 years when I sale it.

Chris
 

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