58 MPG by 2032

[WinterDeere]

worse than volcanoes erupting and spewing hot ash and gasses for a long time?

Worse, in that one is a preventable crime, and the other is the earth doing what it does.

People arguing volcanoes putting CO2 into the atmosphere somehow cancels the need for emissions reductions from automobiles are really turning a blind eye to the actual numbers. Volcanic activity puts an average 200 Million tons of CO2 into our atmosphere each year. Automotive and industrial activity activity puts an average 24 Billion (=24,000 Million) tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year [1]. There is just no comparison between these two.

Even if the two were equal, rather than at 120 to 1 ratio, it would still be "yes/and" rather than "either/or". One only adds to the other, get out of the "replacement" mindset.

As a gearhead, I'm not for any EV mandate that will affect my ability to buy and drive my high-horsepower ICE toys. But anyone fighting to keep every schlep driving down the highway in a minivan or Toyota Camry in ICE tech rather than BEV, is fighting a battle that just makes no sense to me.

[1] - Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere?.

 

[Hay Dude]

worse than volcanoes erupting and spewing hot ash and gasses for a long time?

Just like Torvy said.
All are bad, but blowing up the pipeline was an environmental disaster that WAS man caused. Whoever is responsible should face crimes against the environment and humanity.

Wonder why nobody wants to get to the bottom of who did that?

 

[Paystar]

Wonder why nobody wants to get to the bottom of who did that?

Because our governments and big oil are shady and the biggest criminals there are. LOL

 

[Grumpycat]

I’d like to know who blew up the Nordstream pipeline.
They contaminated the atmosphere worse than anyone.

They should be captured & prosecuted for crimes against the environment.

Can't prosecute because that will revive the event in public memory. A perfect crime. The Climate Crisis is so important to The Powers That Be, that this event must be ignored and silenced.

Almost every "climate model" in the vogue at the time of the Mt Saint Helens eruption predicted an event of that magnitude would end life on Earth. Only those near noticed anything but ash covering their homes. The rest of us had to be told it was occuring.

The Nordrstream event was another that "according to climate scientists" should have massively disrupted life on Earth. Only caused a blimp in some measurements proving the Earth is much more resilient than convenient for "the sky is falling!" so-called climate scientists.

 

[Grumpycat]

Because our governments and big oil are shady and the biggest criminals there are. LOL

Because the Nordstream event was supposedly big enough to disrupt the climate and all life on earth but did not. If prosecuted it would disprove popular climate theory. It does disprove popular climate theory, but we can pretend it does not by ignoring it. Sadly this is the way the world works today. Keep repeating it over and over "B*nomics works!" and maybe someone will believe it.

 

[ultrarunner]

And to think both GM and Toyota walked away from the California factory and some would say gifted to Tesla…

 

[Hay Dude]

Can't prosecute because that will revive the event in public memory. A perfect crime. The Climate Crisis is so important to The Powers That Be, that this event must be ignored and silenced.

Almost every "climate model" in the vogue at the time of the Mt Saint Helens eruption predicted an event of that magnitude would end life on Earth. Only those near noticed anything but ash covering their homes. The rest of us had to be told it was occuring.

The Nordrstream event was another that "according to climate scientists" should have massively disrupted life on Earth. Only caused a blimp in some measurements proving the Earth is much more resilient than convenient for "the sky is falling!" so-called climate scientists.

And we should also use the same thinking about ICE vehicles - the sky is NOT falling From them, either.
However, we need the Internal Combustion engine to survive. Going around and randomly sabotaging pipelines is not needed to survive.

That was an act of pride and brute force that was completely uncalled for. It should be pRosecuted as such. There’s a big difference between millions of people creating tailpipe emissions trying to make a living and some brain dead fool blowing up a pipeline and reducing massive amounts of methane gasses that injured the earth’s atmosphere. That order was given by ONE person.

 

[Torvy]

That order was given by ONE person.

That would be how it is supposed to work. My guess is that a group gave that one person the order.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Maybe we could run ice vehicles on cow farts.
Ev is valid, but should never be mandatory. Let the free market decide without subsidies. 58 mpg is the green crowd mandating.

 

[logixjock]

And to think both GM and Toyota walked away from the California factory and some would say gifted to Tesla…

The id10t that ran the Freemont factory ended up as CEO of the company I worked for (tier 1 supplier) and brought in a bunch of his old GM cronies to help him. We went from thriving supplier with facilities in 8 states to bankrupt and the pieces sold off to 2 Canadian firms in 2.5 years. Anything GM is cancer to me.