7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches

[billyboy1]

Mr Cubtech
Now that we are getting some more of the story, cat got your tongue? Or did your alligator mouth over ride your hummingbird butt. Did Cub clip your wings and muzzle you. Or did you just paint yourself into a corner. I would like to hear your version of why these engine flanges are breaking or do you decline to answer because there is a problem and cub knows all about it.

 

[CubTech]

OK, First thing... there is nothing wrong with the Frame Brackets. What you need to do is apply some Loc-Tite and then periodically check them. Yes, its called Maintenance. Before and after each use you check the tractor over for anything loose or damaged.

Why were the brackets introduced? Because OWNERS were overloading the loader and guess where the weight goes? Straight to the frame. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. So, when the loaders were added and people got to using them they found out that when they overloaded the loader it would bend the frame. It would actually break the tractor almost in two.

So the brackets were introduced. An easy fix. Why are they coming loose? It's called vibration. The fix is called Loc-Tite. Problem Solved.

But what does the Brackets have to do with Cubhater's engine problem??? The engine problem is unrelated to the brackets.

Oh.. and didn't Cub pay for this when it was introduced? Yes they did. Cub paid for ALL of your issues when you first had the tractor.

So you and all your lil buddies on here can chew on that one for awhile. Its called Loc-Tit and maintenance.

Your engine. Let's see here where do I start? You purchased the tractor in 96. Some issues arose within the first 3 years. Cub paid for all them. Did they not? Did you pay for anything that wasn't maintenance?

Then.... you went 6 year with no issues. RT45 did some service last year or so from what I can see from your service record. They did an injector pump and a few other things. You took the tractor back. You knew the tractor needed an injector replaced. You knew it was bad. You operated it anyways.

Then you bring it back and request that it be covered under warranty. What warranty?

You operated the engine with a bad injector. The cylinder filled up with fuel. Bending the connecting rod and damaging internal parts. Now the dealer has inspected your engine. The cylinder walls are six thousanths over the rings!!! That means you ingested dirt in the fuel mixture or you have dirty oil. It all depends on which way the cylinder is mishaped. This is not covered by warranty. You ingested dirt or you have something in the oil.

Cub is not going to pay for something that is YOUR fault.

Plus people need to understand that Cub doesn't have a lifetime warranty.

But ill tell you what.. if you can convince the dealer (RT45) that this is the tractors fault... Ill pay a portion of your bill.

If not, you need to pay your bill and sell the tractor.

Ill be waiting to hear from RT45.

 

[MajMac392]

CubTech1, Tell me more about the support bracket developed to reduce the stress of the Cubs. I have a 7234, as far as I know the same frame, etc as the 727X series. Was it a factory recall? Does Cub recognize there was some inherent design problems with the tractor so they provided them? If Cub wasn't providing them, is it a kit? What is the cost for it? Can it be installed by an owner?

 

[CubTech]

Like i said before, the brackets were introduced because of the problem. Yes, Cub recognized the issue. The issue only shows up when people overload the loader!

But now, all the loaders have the brackets built-in!

The bracket is part of the loaders now.

Problem solved.

 

[MajMac392]

cubtech1, I didn't pick up on the fact that people were overloading the loader, I thought it was caused by the BH. Regardless, I have a Bush Hog loader that has been on mine since new so I doubt that it has somehow been reinforced. Where was the reinforcement, on the frame mount portion of the OEM FEL?

 

[cubhater]

Mr Cubtech
Let me thank you for explaining why the brackets were introduced as we are not all rocket scientists. Most owners thought they had nothing to worry about because they had no backhoe. Thus you might have saved a few owners a lot of grief with breaking their flanges. And as you and I know this is not an inexpensive proposition. But you are still putting the blame on the owner.

 

[cubhater]

"Some issues arose in the first three years. Cub paid for all of them, Did they not? Did you pay for anything that was not maintenance?"
The one time my tractor was in the shop I did not pay for anything but oil and filters. But it was only covered by warranty once. I am not saying you weren't billed more than once for warranty work, I am saying it was only done once. When I asked why I didn't have as much power as before,they said it wouldn't until it was broken in. I called them back after about 100 hours and told them it still didn't have the power of the original motor, they called me back and said warranty has expired.

 

[cubhater]

"But I'll tell you what.. if you can convince the dealer (Rte 45) that this is the tractors fault... I will pay a portion of your bill. I assume this means that the reason the tractor broke is beyond my control. Is that correct?

 

[billyboy1]

Cubtech1
I don"t know your personality or your temperament, but is it fair for you to lay this decision on the dealer. Like I said I don't know you or how you act. But lets say the dealer says you should pay a portion of the bill. This may upset you. Then when this dealer comes back with other unrelated warranty issues you deny them because of hard feelings. Just a thought.

 

[jonny35]

Mr. Cubtech,
In reference to the reinforcing kit that was introduced by cub/woods/mitsi/whoever, the only way to keep that kit tight is to use some super loctite. Maybe you've heard of it. Its called welding. You know. Like with an arc welder. Once again its the customers fault. Or somebodies fault. Certainly not a design problem. You said cust.s were over loading their tractors. What tractors are capable of lifting has everthing to do with hydraulic pressure and cylinder size. Perhaps if cub didnt want people lifting stuff with the loaders the should of put a decal on the tractor. Something like "WARNING LIFTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE WIEGHT OF THE BUCKET WILL, AND I REPEAT, WILL CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE". Sound like a good idea?
As for cubhaters engine damage. You need to think about this. An injector is virtually unaffected by maintenance. Good or poor. It just sits there waiting to be pressurized by the injector pump. Its lubrication comes from the fuel. So an individual could never change his oil and filters and the injector would'nt even care. I see equipment on a regular basis with in excess of 5000 hours on them with no running issues and no previous engine work. Engines like Kubota,Duetz,Perkins,Yanmar, ect... Cubhaters failure is unusual wether you chose to admit it or not.