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I brought the plastic pipe up out of the sump pit and created a joint at about 4 feet. I use a rubber sleeve and 2 ss hose clamps to join it to the rest of the discharge pipe. I have a spare pump standing by that has the same length of pipe attached to it. If the pump in the sump pit fails, I undo one ss hose clamp, separate the pipes, unplug the pump, swap in the new pump, connect the discharge pipe, plug the pump in and I am back in business.

Any chance you could post a pic of your set-up?

Thanks,
coachgrd
 
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Inspector507...thanks much for your input on the electrical code for sump pumps. I'm currently finishing off half our new basement which is 40X17 in size...the sump pit is located in one corner and thanks to you I know EXACTLY how to wire it up now.

While on the subject of sump pumps and water, I'd like to describe the situation that has existed in our new basement since it was built, in the hope someone may have an idea of what can be done to resolve our problem.

In mid-2002 we had an excavation dug in our back yard, the new foundation (blocks) was sized 36X40. The deepest part of the excavation was just under 7 feet below grade, and the house we added onto was located on the highest point of our property, and the back yard where the new basement was constructed sloped away from the house. When we dug another half foot down to build the footing forms, we started getting water seepage in the northeast corner. This was in the middle of a very dry summer...and because of the water seepage, we triple sized the footing in that corner and located the sump pit there. The foundation was waterproofed well and the drain tile covered with the usual peastone and filter fabric, and instead of backfilling the exterior of the foundation with the pure clay that was excavated, we used fill sand and gravel instead.

I've done everything I possibly can to divert water away from the house with gutters and long downspouts, built up the ground with topsoil, then covered the topsoil with heavy plastic and peastone to shed water away...but whenever there is a heavy rainfall or snow melting, the sump pit has an inflow of 5 to 6 gpm. We had an 8 inch thick snow melting a few days ago and then a heavy rainfall following that, the sump pump was turning on every 3 minutes for three days straight...I run the exterior drain pipe from the pump up about 5 feet then thru the wall and 100 feet away from the house.

When the excavation was done and before the blocks were laid I checked carefully around the exterior of the hole to see if I could locate any old pipes that might indicate a former well and/or septic tank drainfield that might be backfeeding that corner...no such thing existed. There was originally a huge 2 story brick and fieldstone farmhouse where our new addition is located and it burnt down in 1949...which is why I made the search for old pipes.

Would anyone have some ideas of what would be causing all this water intake, or have some ideas of what could be done to cure the problem? I currently have a brand new sump pump, a backup pump, and a genset, but I am still concerned about what could happen, especially if we were away and something went wrong.

Sorry if I bored anyone with this long winded post...and thanks.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( A circuit breaker and a GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter) are 2 different devices. )</font>

Yes. I should have written GFCI outlet or GFCI circuit breaker.

I knew some sparkys would get into the conversation. Lots of good reading and info. It's my understanding that because the electrician that rewired my house used duplex outlets behind my washer and for my sump pump, that that is the reason they are GFCI outets... if I read correctly. If I went to single oulets, I could change them, but I don't really have a need to.

Love the comment on submersible well pumps and washing your hands /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Mine isn't submersible, but if it was I would probably have it on a GFCI circuit breaker. I'm not sure you need to though. I have a submersible pump on one of my septic systems and I know it's on a dedicated, but regular circuit breaker.
 
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<font color="blue">Any chance you could post a pic of your set-up? </font>
It ain't pretty, but it works. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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Mike
Yours looks neat compared to mine.
My spare pump is next to the working one.
Still in the box it came in. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Thanks Mike!
 
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<font color="blue"> Inspector507...thanks much for your input on the electrical code for sump pumps. I'm currently finishing off half our new basement which is 40X17 in size...the sump pit is located in one corner and thanks to you I know EXACTLY how to wire it up now. </font>

Here's a picture of the wiring for our two sump pumps, wired to code...
 

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"My spare pump is next to the working one, still in the box it came in..."

I would suggest you unpack it and get it ready ahead of time...I was surfing TBN about 6:30 Thursday morning and our neighbor came over and rang the doorbell...HIS sump pump float switch malfunctioned overnite and his basement got flooded badly, we took over my spare pump and devoted the next five hours to pumping out several hundred gallons of water and drying up his basement with shop vacs and squeegees and fans. Even if you don't forsee the need for your spare in the near future, a neighbor may find a use for it.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Right now my sump pump is plugged into a GFI outlet, so I'm reading to hook the second one up to a different circuit? Is this because the motor burning out will kick the circuit?)</font>

I would definitely run the pumps on different circuits. That way, as you noticed, a shorted pump won't take both units down.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( do they need run on separate drain lines? If you're getting enough water to kick both pumps on, which could happen like when we had three feet of snow melt in a day's time a few years ago, will the pumps fight each other if they "Y" into the same line?)</font>

The capacity of two pumps, pumping into the same line, will de reduced a little vs two pumps with separate discharges. This is because the more water you force through a pipe, the higher the back pressure. Another alternative, would be to up-size the discharge. Wye two two inch pumps into a three inch discharge line.

Do be sure each pump has a good check valve, or you might end up pumping the water backwards through the second pump.
 

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