Here is a photo of the main panel and the shop breakers.
I do remember the wire to the subpanel being copper.
After seeing your picture you have 100 amps feeding the sub panel and would be sufficient to handle the wielder along with the existing circuit. the handle tie on the red Bryant breaker would no longer meet a code requirement.![]()
I figured everything would be covered here but I notice there wasn't much discussion on the size of the welder circuit. Most home use welders are going with something like a 180 amp MIG these days, which seems to do almost anything you need. You can run these pretty hard on a 30 amp circuit, which is an economical installation. You will probably need to use a 50 amp plug/outlet, but don't let that confuse you. You can wire that up with no. 10 wiring as long as you have 30 amp breakers.
Lincoln, in particular, is very confusing on what service is required for their welders, but I have a Lincoln 180 on a 30 amp circuit and it has never been a problem. I found a Ebay seller with a real deal on 10/3 SOOW cable (braided, thick flexible insulation) and made a 60 ft. extension cord and life is now good.
I figured everything would be covered here but I notice there wasn't much discussion on the size of the welder circuit. Most home use welders are going with something like a 180 amp MIG these days, which seems to do almost anything you need. You can run these pretty hard on a 30 amp circuit, which is an economical installation. You will probably need to use a 50 amp plug/outlet, but don't let that confuse you. You can wire that up with no. 10 wiring as long as you have 30 amp breakers.
Lincoln, in particular, is very confusing on what service is required for their welders, but I have a Lincoln 180 on a 30 amp circuit and it has never been a problem. I found a Ebay seller with a real deal on 10/3 SOOW cable (braided, thick flexible insulation) and made a 60 ft. extension cord and life is now good.
NOPE: you SHOULD NOT wire a 50 amp outlet with #10 for a 30 amp circuit. This gives a future potential problem in that someone else down the line can assume that this 50 amp outlet is set up for a 50 amp circuit, and this causes problems. if you use a 50 amp receptacle, please wire it for 50 amps. better to have more power available than you need.
The NEC does not allow you to do this. it may work, but isnt right.
i'm thinking that as long as the breaker and wire size match, an overrated receptacle is not an issue? if you plug a larger than allowable device in, it will only trip the breaker. i can't quote the code, but i can't see where there is any safety issue. i would think it would fall into the same category as my above post where i mentioned mismatched breaker/wire sizing. i came across that two (maybe three) years ago when i wired my garage for a welder. maybe something has changed? i agree that these situations are not ideal, but from what i read they are legal, acceptable, and safe, as long as they are done properly.
edit: as i said, i'm not a pro, but i did a lot of research before i did my shop. search for nec article 630 and read up if interested. i figured i'd add this to curb any rule of thumb debates that spawn due to my posts that do not necessarily support, but at the very least add legitimacy to this procedure.
i'm thinking that as long as the breaker and wire size match, an overrated receptacle is not an issue?
I am not a pro either but I agree with this.
You see 20A 120v recepticles wired with 14ga and a 15 amp breaker all the time. Same difference here.
Oversizing the recepticle/plug is not a problem
Oversizing the wire is not a problem
Oversizing the breaker...BIG PROBLEM