Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket?

   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #11  
The back wall of my 4n1 is brutally strong. If you removed the apron it would just look like a dozer blade including a cutting edge on the bottom.
With all the reinforcements you’d have to make to a regular bucket you’d be better off just starting from scratch IMO. I’ve seen used 4-1 buckets for $2500. It would cost thar much to build one even not counting your labor for anything.
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #12  
Some pics of a Land Pride bucket for BX Kubota models. I modified it slightly so that it can also be used on the 3PH to add load carrying capacity as well as counterbalance. Nice thing about running it on the 3PH is visibility for the operator.
 

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   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #13  
I would leave the bucket as is and install a tooth bar, or individeal teeth. When I had a skid steer, it came with a smooth bucket and a tooth bucket. The tooth bucket was on 95% of the time.
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket?
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I would leave the bucket as is and install a tooth bar, or individeal teeth. When I had a skid steer, it came with a smooth bucket and a tooth bucket. The tooth bucket was on 95% of the time.
I appreciate all of the comments. The group wisdom is always stronger than the individual.

I make my own tooth bars and you are correct a bucket without teeth just doesn't cut it. 🙄

It has brand new teeth on it. The bucket is basically new and the story is the owner put a downward bow in the bottom so it looks like it's smiling, sent it to a shop to be straightened, the shop did not want to destroy it while fixing it which would run the cost of welding it back together so high that it was in essence "totaled" so they told the owner to come get it. He said forget it and bought a new bucket.

My labor is cheap so even if I have to cut it up and re-weld it I don't care. I'm pretty sure I can use my log splitter as a press to bring it back and if I can't oh well nothing ventured nothing gained.

As for the comments on the cost of the build; my steel cost is minimal since I use drops from my friends shop and my labor is free. Like I said in the original post I'm pretty sure I would be in it for around $500.00 all in and I save more than that in divorce attorney fees by staying out of the DW's hair by being in the shop not the house.

But after the comments about the lack of usefulness for a 4-in-1 I'm not going that route. I may come up with something else, but for now I'll probably get the bucket and let it sit while I contemplate what would be a useful application for it.
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #15  
Npalen - can you explain this statement

"Nice thing about running it on the 3PH is visibility for the operator."

Dunno about you, but I'm NOT related to Linda Blair (from movie - The Exorcist") - the older I get, the less fun rear-mounted stuff that benefits from close supervision/control becomes... Steve
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #16  
I should really build something before i run my mouth too long on theoreticals but..

To me the appeal of a 4n1 bucket lies in building it differently than your typical 4n1 bucket, which I honestly struggle to see the appeal of.

I don't really understand why 4n1 buckets are built the way they are, with the 'backplate' being more or less just a dozer blade with no side angling (whoopee?) and almost all of the utility coming from the lid, and the lid being basically the entire size of the closed bucket. I understand the idea of backdragging with the open lid, and how it can make sort of a poorly-gripping grapple.. But i don't understand why the main other choices the lid gives you is to have 'a normal bucket' and 'no bucket'.

What i envision building is more like a root grapple with a fully closed backwall, where the grapple lid is more like a bucket lid. The way I see it, by the root grapple having a 'shorter bottom' then the full closed bucket, you get more breakout force. Combine this with the fact that you can open the lid to dump from the bottom, and you can space your pins farther apart on the loader mount and get even more breakout force by sacrificing 'conventional' dump angle. So this would be for breaking hard ground, and could also rake.

Have the space between the 'teeth' taper to a close between the teeth. Then have the lid close under the teeth and nearly close off the bottom. Loose enough to prevent frequent binding of objects rolling between lid and rake, not loose enough to leak all your material out on a bumpy ride.

Have part of the sidewall of the bucket on the back half, and part on the lid. This would, in my mind, allow you to create a shape between those two pieces that would improve the 'bite' when grappling horizontal objects. The tapering opening between the rake teeth would also create a good bite on vertical objects.

Opening the bucket lid gradually would create variable size openings in bottom of the bucket, allowing for some sifting/screening to be done by rattling loose material in a partially-opened bucket.

Don't crucify me on my MS Paint skills, this is the first time i've tried to create a visual for this idea. But instead of going from 'all bucket' to 'no bucket' and having a 'poorly gripping grapple', i see this as going from 'all bucket' to 'root rake' with 'improved gripping action both horizontally and vertically' and having a bit of rock bucket/skeleton bucket functionality as well. The ability to backdrag with the open lid should still remain.

The geometry of the lid pivot etc would definitely need to be figured out. I just put a circle to give the vague idea that theres a pivot up there, but it's definitely in the wrong place.

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   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #17  
Me likey.
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket?
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I should really build something before i run my mouth too long on theoreticals but..
That is an idea that has a lot of merit and would give me a totally different tool from what I have now which the four way really does not do.

And this is why sites like this are so helpful. Group think will always outwit the single player.
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #19  
I'm not an Engineer so I can't analyze the forces involved in such a design. I first question why this design hasn't been offered? I second question the reasons why this design hasn't been offered. Then I run up against my lack of Engineering knowledge.... :(
 
   / Anyone Build or Convert an Existing Bucket Into A 4-in-1 Bucket? #20  
I'm guessing that keeping the weight reasonabe is a challenge. That said, it's use is different than lifting big buckets of dirt.
 

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