At Home In The Woods

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As you've heard me say before, digging here is tough. I hit this rock during the 1st 5 minutes of digging. If you look closely, you can see a glove on the rock for perspective. It took quite a while to get this rock out of the ground.

Obed, two thoughts here. Since digging is so hard why not rent a large tractor loader backhoe to dig the trench and also use it to dig out the area next to the retaining wall. You would be able to position the tractor parallel to the retaining wall and extend the hoe out far enough to dig to the bottom and end of the retaining wall. And it would be a lot safer than the way you have your deere perched on that slope. Also with the larger tractor you could use it for other small projects at the house.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #973  
Any auto parts store should have a tool to open up grease fittings. It's a small unit that fits over the fitting and when hit with a hammer it drives the spring loaded ball in the fitting down in turn opening the fitting to accept grease.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #974  
No, No, No! Put the the water down at 4' and run the electric at 2 feet. I know you're in Tennessee, but if the frost ever goes below 2' and you have a water leak then you'll be kicking yourself. And fixing a water leak in a trench that shares electric and gas lines in winter- you DO NOT want to go there.
My master electrician stood here and told me to tell you that as we looked at your pics.
He also said: ask him why he needs 200 amps for just the basement? What are you going to be running that you'd even need 400amps to a residence?! Are you going to be launching space shuttles from your basement?!:laughing:
Here's what I'd do in your situation. Complete the 2' deep section from your poles or pad location where your electric will be feeding to the house. Then dig your 4 foot deep section for the water run. Lay in and pressure test the water run for possible leaks with compressed air. Once you know it does not have any leaks you can cross it with your electric line at 2' deep. Where your gas line crosses your water line set it in at 2', (or deeper, if required). Have your gas supplier do the testing so if there are any problems they are discovered BEFORE you bury the pipe. It needs to be sized properly to your appliances and intended usage. You may be required to use sand for the gas line trench as fill around and over the pipe- talk to your gas company first!
You must flag your gas line with special gas warning tape in the trench.
Take measurements off non-movable objects, like the corner of the house, to record exactly where everything crosses and runs for future reference. Hopefully, when everything is tested for leaks and hooked up you will never have to dig any of it up to correct or modify anything.
I was not so lucky. We had the gas company and the excavator and electrician do everything underground and after several weeks we started to smell gas. It turned out the fitting on top of the 1000 gallon BURIED propane tank was leaking!:mad: The gas company had to come drain the tank completely and then BURN off the excess gas they could not remove from the underground tank. Fortunately I was in Maine skiing with my son and a friend of his- but I was keeping an eye out for any sudden fireballs in the sky!
The crew here said it was quite the site to roast pigs at if you could crane them into the sky to catch the flame!:confused2:
Post back with any questions. I've done all the trenching you could ever hope to see over the last 5 years or so. I had a pole with transformer above my pond, and from there my service is owned by the electric co. to my house where there is one 200amp service entry which connects to a 200 amp transfer switch that is controlled by a separate load control center that reads the status of electric supply, gas powered 20KW gas generator or utility power, and switches between whichever is active, while dropping high amp loads like hot tub, double oven and 2 other circuits, as needed and then latches them back on as power use permits. These controls feed 2, 30 breaker panels in the basement and one 20 amp panel in the addition. The 200amp supply then feeds 100 amps underground in two different directions; each of which is then connected to a 30 breaker panel. One is in the shed. The other is at the barn's mechanical/electrical room. From the barn's panel 50-70 amps is sent to the second floor to a 20 breaker panel.
It all works off one 200 amp service from the utility. I have water, gas, solar and electric in the various trenches, though not all have each item in each trench. Its like a small city! And it seems like it cost what it would to build one too!:(
But when the power goes out and its wicked cold out and the wind is blowing a 50mph or more I'm inside doing whatever I can do, with power on and gas for heat and cooking- so its GREAT! and worth the effort to get it done right the first time.
 
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#975  
Any auto parts store should have a tool to open up grease fittings. It's a small unit that fits over the fitting and when hit with a hammer it drives the spring loaded ball in the fitting down in turn opening the fitting to accept grease.
I'll have to check into one of these. This morning I removed some clogged grease fittings and cleaned them out which seemed to work. However, there was one spot that I couldn't grease even with a working fitting. Sounds like a good rainy day job.
Hey, it just occurred to me that I have a garage now with shingles. I've never owned a garage where I could do rainy day tasks. Wow!
 
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#976  
No, No, No!
Coyote, great suggestions. Sounds like you've got quite an intricate electical setup at your place.

We plan on running gas, water, and electric all in their own trenches although they will need to cross. The wife is going to get some estimates on getting someone to dig the trenches for us. I just don't have enough time to dig them all. Each trench is about 80' to 100' with a bunch of rocks. I got about 1/3 of the electrical trench dug this weekend myself.

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Here's how far I got. I'm sure that others could dig faster than I can, especially with a bigger machine.
 

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Today, after digging some of the electrical trench at the house, the wife suggested that we get some estimates for someone else to dig the trenches (electrical, gas, water). So I then focused on prepping the area where the electrical pedestal (holds meter and two 200A disconnects) will go.

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The pedestal will go just to the left of the temp pole and a few feet behind it.

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I needed to get rid of the broken off tree.

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The backhoe comes in really handy for removing trees.

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As part of prepping the area for the pedestal, I shortened the braces for the temporary electrical pole to make way for the trenches and conduit.

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I dug a trench between the transformer and where the electrical pedestal will go in preparation for the electrician's conduit.

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I then started the trench that runs from the pedestal to the house. I dug the trench to the temp pole brace. The excavator should be able to dig from the other side of the brace and finish the trench to the house. Where the two trenches meet is where the pedestal will be located.

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   / At Home In The Woods #979  
I'll have to check into one of these. This morning I removed some clogged grease fittings and cleaned them out which seemed to work. However, there was one spot that I couldn't grease even with a working fitting. Sounds like a good rainy day job.
Hey, it just occurred to me that I have a garage now with shingles. I've never owned a garage where I could do rainy day tasks. Wow!

Just remember which garage is going to be yours and which will be the wifes. You don't want to get grease and mud on her garage floor. :laughing:

Also, remember to check the height of your ROPS and backhoe before driving into the garage.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #980  
Just remember which garage is going to be yours and which will be the wifes. You don't want to get grease and mud on her garage floor. :laughing:

I resolved that issue by building a "man garage" and a "woman garage". Cars are not parked in the man garage.
 

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