Auto vs shift

[DarkBlack]

On many new cars the automatic is faster and might even get better mpg. The fancy dual clutch ones even give you the rev matched downshifts.

Car automatic transmissions are faster and better mpg because they are a computer automated gear transmission.
A hydrostatic transmission is totally different, and has constant additional energy losses, to achieve speed variability, without shifting

 

[Fixastuff]

Car automatic transmissions are faster and better mpg because they are a computer automated gear transmission.
A hydrostatic transmission is totally different, and has constant additional energy losses, to achieve speed variability, without shifting

He was talking about Subarus so that’s what I was responding to.

 

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He was talking about Subarus so that’s what I was responding to.

I had a 2014 FORESTER.
I had 5 engines replaced in that car because of an oiling problem. Eventually cost me time, inconvenience and$5500 as they said l was above their replacement threshold.
Subaru was willing to give me$1000 toward my next forester plus give me $5000 for my multi engine Subaru.
This at the height of COVID where the dealer was wacking his cars $6000 above list claiming reduced availability.
So basically, they had my car for free plus l needed to give them an additional $5000 for the privilege of owning another of their Stella automobiles.
You know what I said.

 

[Fixastuff]

I had a 2014 FORESTER.
I had 5 engines replaced in that car because of an oiling problem. Eventually cost me time, inconvenience and$5500 as they said l was above their replacement threshold.
Subaru was willing to give me$1000 toward my next forester plus give me $5000 for my multi engine Subaru.
This at the height of COVID where the dealer was wacking his cars $6000 above list claiming reduced availability.
So basically, they had my car for free plus l needed to give them an additional $5000 for the privilege of owning another of their Stella automobiles.
You know what I said.

“Thank you kind sir, I’ll take two”? lol. I might have sold after the second engine, definitely would have sold after the 3rd or 4th one.

 

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“Thank you kind sir, I’ll take two”? lol. I might have sold after the second engine, definitely would have sold after the 3rd or 4th one.

I shoulda just kept the first engine from the factory. So what if it used a quart every 3000 miles.
Come to find out, the replacement block had the same problem, then they just started using junk yard engines unbeknownst to me until the last engine.
The car did get 33 mpg. I think they made the new ones bigger and heavier and they now get 29 mpg.

 

[jyoutz]

To me, it's not a slim reason. And this is coming from a person who loves driving manual transmission cars - there are MANY operations I do around my place where hydro is better, for example, loader work and rear blade work (where is is nice to have one hand on the wheel and the other available to operate the loader valve or the rockshaft lever).

Running a stump grinder - again, you need to have basically instant forward/backward control and need one hand on the wheel and one on the rockshaft lever.

Many times mowing requires being able to ease right up to an obstruction which is very easy with the hydro. Maneuvering in tight spaces, especially where you might need to use the brake while also edging ahead with the hydro pedal, such as trying to precisely move something with pallet forks.

If I was using a tractor for something like farming or mowing many acres at a time, or maybe just with the tractor sitting still using a chipper, splitter or some such thing, yes, I might choose a gear tractor. Is a shuttle shift better than a gear tractor for frequent direction changes? Absolutely, but still not as convenient as a hydro in my opinion, especially if you need both hands free for other stuff.

Don't be sad about people choosing hydros - at least with tractors, they won't quit making gear drive tractors just because people like to buy hydros. Wish I could say the same about manual shift cars/trucks.

I agree totally with you for the same reasons. And I proficiently operated a geared tractor for all those uses for 22 years. I love my current hydro much more.

 

[jyoutz]

“Thank you kind sir, I’ll take two”? lol. I might have sold after the second engine, definitely would have sold after the 3rd or 4th one.

Subaru had that oiling problem up to and including the 2014 model year. The engines were re-engineered in 2015 and that problem no longer persists. Sucks for those who own the problematic years.

 

[jyoutz]

I can pull a loaded trailer on the road with my geared 35hp tractor easily in the highest gear (High range, 4rd gear). Show me an hydro doing the same and tell me whether there is or there isn't any difference in putting power down.

Heck, those hydro tractors can barely pull their own weight in high range and you're trying to convince people that there isn't any difference in putting power down? Surely, even you can't believe that.

It depends on the overall size/weight/hp of the hydro tractor. My 60hp hydro tractor has no power problems doing whatever I need to do.

 

[drizler]

What works for me is entering the dig if I might encounter shale ect is Mid 1. Then I have to hit neutral to clutch it to shift ranges to Hi. It sounds easy but gets to be a PITA.
If I stayed in mid range and used 1-2 to scoop and 4 to travel the travel speed is so slow I’d fall asleep going to the dump spot. It seems that as I say “ I’m seemingly between ranges” , too slow or too fast.

 

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What works for me is entering the dig if I might encounter shale ect is Mid 1. Then I have to hit neutral to clutch it to shift ranges to Hi. It sounds easy but gets to be a PITA.
If I stayed in mid range and used 1-2 to scoop and 4 to travel the travel speed is so slow I’d fall asleep going to the dump spot. It seems that as I say “ I’m seemingly between ranges” , too slow or too fast.

So you’re having to hit neutral on a clutch shift initially?
So, Im in low 2nd to walk into the pile. All my bucket curling to fill the bucket is done in low 2.
I back out with the shuttle, press the clutch in again and shift directly to high to change ranges for transport.
I actually had to stop and think how I did this as it’s just become rote.
Even with a hydro, you’re still pressing a clutch to change ranges for transport.
What’s your tractor?