Backhoe cost

[Urakunu]

Has anyone recently purchased a backhoe for a YT 347 or 359? The price I'm getting quoted is like $11500. That seems like an aweful lot for that backhoe when I can get an LS or Kioti backhoe for between 6k and 7k. I really liked the yanmar tractor but really heavily favoring Kioti NX5010 because its like $8000 cheaper.

 

[rScotty]

Has anyone recently purchased a backhoe for a YT 347 or 359? The price I'm getting quoted is like $11500. That seems like an aweful lot for that backhoe when I can get an LS or Kioti backhoe for between 6k and 7k. I really liked the yanmar tractor but really heavily favoring Kioti NX5010 because its like $8000 cheaper.

Yanmar has a history of being pricey, and they do tend to be hi-tech/high quality. I'm curious how the Yanmar price compares to JD and Kubota? Have you compared there?
rScotty

 

[Urakunu]

Yanmar has a history of being pricey, and they do tend to be hi-tech/high quality. I'm curious how the Yanmar price compares to JD and Kubota? Have you compared there?
rScotty

Honestly I did not, the lift capacities versus price on those stopped me from going any further. I am a newbie tractor buyer and I look at it this way, maybe I'm wrong. If you look at used tractors on craigslist or marketplace you see a plethora of Kubota and John Deere which are in the same price as Yanmar and holding good resale value. I could not find one used Yanmar tractor in my area for sale and I honestly would be worried about paying that kind of money and then trying to resell or trade. I know Kubota and Deere hold better values than Kioti but I am honestly 10-12k cheaper for the Kioti. Just my line of thought, and it a shame because I really like the Yanmar. But as a newbie tractor buyer I need to purchase every implement and attachment as I have none so that kind of money buys a lot of useful attachments. The backhoe for the Kioti is around $6200, Yanmar is close to twice that price. I just can't see it. Like I said just my opinion as a first time tractor buyer.

 

[jeff9366]

There is nothing wrong with Kioti brand tractors. Korean manufacturing labor is paid about 20% less than Japanese manufacturing labor, in $USA terms.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Kind of kills me, that people compare one backhoe looking thing with another backhoe looking thing or anything else for that matter. Not saying it's the case for the price discrepency here, but there are varying quality of steel, varying quality of welding, varying quality of valves, hoses, connectors, cylinders and their components. Some cylinders allow for easier rebuilding, some can't be rebuilt at all. Even paint can have varying levels of quality. Often, you do get what you pay for. Sometimes buying the more expensive item will even give you more than you paid for. Buying the cheaper one could give you less than you paid for.

I do feel that you can rarely go wrong buying Japanese. Not much poor quality has ever come out of that country, for the last few decades anyway.

 

[LittleBill21]

backhoe seems to be most expensive attachement you can buy, im being told close to 7500 for a mahindra add on.

 

[Urakunu]

Kind of kills me, that people compare one backhoe looking thing with another backhoe looking thing or anything else for that matter. Not saying it's the case for the price discrepency here, but there are varying quality of steel, varying quality of welding, varying quality of valves, hoses, connectors, cylinders and their components. Some cylinders allow for easier rebuilding, some can't be rebuilt at all. Even paint can have varying levels of quality. Often, you do get what you pay for. Sometimes buying the more expensive item will even give you more than you paid for. Buying the cheaper one could give you less than you paid for.

I do feel that you can rarely go wrong buying Japanese. Not much poor quality has ever come out of that country, for the last few decades anyway.

I believe Kioti and Yanmar both use Woods backhoes, issue is Yanmar will not sell the subframe separate from my research so going around them to just buy the woods backhoe is out of the question unless you can get a subframe manufactured.

 

[Industrial Toys]

No doubt Woods makes great equipment. No mystery why hoes are an expensive attachment. Look at the complexity over other attachments. That adds up in a hurry.

 

[rScotty]

Honestly I did not, the lift capacities versus price on those stopped me from going any further. I am a newbie tractor buyer and I look at it this way, maybe I'm wrong. If you look at used tractors on craigslist or marketplace you see a plethora of Kubota and John Deere which are in the same price as Yanmar and holding good resale value. I could not find one used Yanmar tractor in my area for sale and I honestly would be worried about paying that kind of money and then trying to resell or trade. I know Kubota and Deere hold better values than Kioti but I am honestly 10-12k cheaper for the Kioti. Just my line of thought, and it a shame because I really like the Yanmar. But as a newbie tractor buyer I need to purchase every implement and attachment as I have none so that kind of money buys a lot of useful attachments. The backhoe for the Kioti is around $6200, Yanmar is close to twice that price. I just can't see it. Like I said just my opinion as a first time tractor buyer.

Keep in mind that advertising departments publish the lift capacities. And they are wonderfully clever at trading things like lift angle and position to get the force numbers as high as they can. I'd be surprised if the real world lift capacities of any similar size backhoes or loaders vary in any way you are going to notice.
You do want 180 degrees of swing and as much digging depth as you can get (digging depth is measure with a 2ft flat bottom). The tractor world is pretty cometitive on tractors - you get what you pay for. It is in the options and attachments that the prices vary so much.... as you are noticing...

Keep asking questions. Good Advice is advice that makes you think about things..... I've been advising people on tools and tractors for a long time now - and the first thing I'd say is to take ALL advice with a grain of salt. Look for bias, even unconscious bias. Each of us knows our own usage best; different terrain, climate, and especially different soils can change things a lot.

Now I'm curious. What is it about the Yanmar that you like so much? We ought to talk about that. I know why I like them, but why would you? Yes, you must have a subframe to use a backhoe on a 3pt hitch tractor. No way around that. BTW, some tractors come with the subframe already built in (the Kubota TLBs).

Common use is either one of several types, which of the ones below describe what you are wanting to do?

One is the Ag type with plowing, tilling, seeding, and rough mowing - basically crops in loam. If you are a newbie doing this, your neighbors are the ones to ask. Those farm guys already know tractors. And chances are they are already watching to see what you will do.

Another type is the home mowing and light landscaping use. One machine can mow the lawn, carry bricks, unload the pickup, and even do some light dirt work like trenching and drainage. Actually they can do more than this, but small machines are slower. Lots of these guys here on TBN. In fact, I'm guessing that here on TBN that is at least half and maybe most of the members.

The other type of use we see newbies wanting advice on is the newbie who just bought some rural land. What we call "big field and forest". This is the guy that needs to mow 40+ acres of brush and tend 40+ acres of woodlot.... some of it sloping. That's specialized use and lots of fascinating options.

Finally there is construction: house, barn, and corral building. If you are doing these chances are you already know what machine you want. Few newbies start out cold doing those projects, but some do. For this type of work the Tractor-Loader-Backhoe or TLB is far and away the preferred type. Unfortunately, only Kubota makes a TLB. Their TLBs do have an optional 3pt hitch, but using it requires taking off the backhoe. I'd also say they are too expensive, but by the time you add a backhoe to a compact tractor you might be approaching the same price range.

On the various makes. Only you know if resale is important. Yes, the Japanese make most of the top tier tractors today (including JDs) and the South Koreans are coming up fast. For a first tractor I'd stay with something manufactured in those countries for now. As far as putting a backhoe onto a 3pt hitch tractor, as I said - you MUST have a subframe. No other way is suitable. I've tried it both ways.

Enjoy!
rScotty

 

[Urakunu]

Lots of good words of wisdom in that reply, thanks for that! First off I like the 10 year warranty, that gives me confidence in the quality of the tractor. I like that they build their tractors from the ground up. I like the way it drove. I know a lot of people talk up their transmission and that a/b button for setting speeds. Don't think that would benefit me. Fit and finish seemed.

My scenario is 310 acres of mostly wooded property. Extensive road system through property. Like to maintain roads, clear area for food plots, dig to install pipes to keep roads dry in some areas. Moving rocks, logs and unloading supplies. Mowing roads and 2 acre pond area. So any food plots we have now are under an acre and a half. Will be doing more maintenance than farming type stuff.

We have a deere 450 for some of the heavier stuff. Thanks again for the input!

 

[Industrial Toys]

Sounds like you need some serious equipment. Not 1 acre home owner grade. I looked for years for a hoe for our JD6200. Long, Woods, Bushhog, I looked at them all. Then the dealer told me of people ripping the top link off their 6000 series and that was the end of that idea for me. Also, didn't like the idea of getting off one seat and onto another, AND worse, having to consider removing an attachment, digging out the hoe, attaching it, all for maybe a five minute job. So I got my R510 with a (Made for Kubota by Bradco) hoe, always there for a moments notice and I never looked back. I have used it a lot, but generally day to day, not as much as I had thought. Mostly little jobs here and there. Pluck out a stone, transplant a little tree.

 

[Slackdaddy]

In about 2004 I bought a Case 580 SuperE (in my avitar) with 3000 hours, 4WD. I had to put new tires on it, change the fluids, some hoses.
I Paid $7000 for that BH,,
With the size property you have I would look for a used full size Backhoe (Construction equip)

 

[hosspuller]

A full sized backhoe will do much more with greater ease and safety. First use of the FEL on my 5200 taught me it was NOT a digger.

 

[Urakunu]

A full sized backhoe will do much more with greater ease and safety. First use of the FEL on my 5200 taught me it was NOT a digger.

Thanks for that. We have a John Deere 450 track loader with a backhoe as well to tackle larger jobs. Not always the ideal piece of equipment, that's why I'm going with a backhoe on the tractor as well.

 

[eekbin]

Has anyone recently purchased a backhoe for a YT 347 or 359? The price I'm getting quoted is like $11500. That seems like an aweful lot for that backhoe when I can get an LS or Kioti backhoe for between 6k and 7k. I really liked the yanmar tractor but really heavily favoring Kioti NX5010 because its like $8000 cheaper.

I purchased the B90 backhoe with my YT359C exactly 3 years ago and paid $10K installed on the tractor. This was the dealer's take-it-or-leave-it price, i.e., they were OK if I left with just the tractor or purchased the backhoe as well. I think you could press the dealer a bit more.

I'm happy with the Yanmar/Woods backhoe. It is not at the same level as a mini-excavator, but works well for what I need. A good chunk of the 400 hours I have on the tractor is from running the backhoe. I'm very happy with the Yanmar tractor and would buy it again in a hearbeat.

 

[Ffphil]

We bought the Yt359C just about 2 years ago. Have about 400 hours on it. So far we are very happy with it. Just be careful of the cab windows, cost almost as much as the hoe to replace.

 

[raybender]

I considered getting a backhoe for my YT359 ROPS both at the time of purchase and then a year later. The cost gave me cause for pause, and now I rent the excavator sized for the job I need at the time. In the end I will spend more on the rentals, but I am confident that I have saved significant time as well as hours on my tractor. In upstate NY a 5-6 ton excavator rents out for ~$1.1K/week with multiple buckets. Smaller units go for ~$600 week. If you can cue up you jobs, you can get a lot done with a tracked excavator sized for the job. If you don't need the flexibility of a tracked excavator, I would also recommend looking for a used construction backhoe. I often see workable units for less than $10K.

 

[5030]

Interestingly, my dealer sells a lot of backhoe attachments even though he advises against them. Like me, he thinks they are basically a worthless implement and most spend their days sitting on a pallet in the garage, unused. I'm with you 100%. If I need a hoe, I go rent one at Black Swamp or Herc Rental. I prefer a wheeled trencher. I can lay a couple hundred feet of waterline or utility cable, 5 feet deep with little mess, in an afternoon.

I can rent equipment and not be responsible for the upkeep either for what a backhoe costs, many times over and still come out way ahead. At Herc you can rent a JCB for a grand for a week, delivered and full of fuel and a JCB will out dig and out manuver any backhoe attachment ever made, hands down.

 

[fried1765]

Interestingly, my dealer sells a lot of backhoe attachments even though he advises against them. Like me, he thinks they are basically a worthless implement and most spend their days sitting on a pallet in the garage, unused. I'm with you 100%. If I need a hoe, I go rent one at Black Swamp or Herc Rental. I prefer a wheeled trencher. I can lay a couple hundred feet of waterline or utility cable, 5 feet deep with little mess, in an afternoon.

I can rent equipment and not be responsible for the upkeep either for what a backhoe costs, many times over and still come out way ahead. At Herc you can rent a JCB for a grand for a week, delivered and full of fuel and a JCB will out dig and out manuver any backhoe attachment ever made, hands down.

Sounds very convenient......for you!
Now......just where is there a "Black Swamp" or "Herc Rental" near me?
Any sort of round trip rental pickup/return would essentially waste a full day for me.
I LOVE having my L48TLB always readily available,..... if I only need it for 20 minutes.

Your dealer actually thinks a removable backhoe attachment (on my L48) is "basically a worthless implement"?
Quite some "dealer" you have there!
I think he may need to spend some time at a Kubota re-education camp.

 

[5030]

Sounds very convenient......for you!
Now......just where is there a "Black Swamp" or "Herc Rental" near me?
Any sort of round trip rental pickup/return would essentially waste a full day for me.
I LOVE having my L48TLB always readily available,..... if I only need it for 20 minutes.

Your dealer actually thinks a removable backhoe attachment (on my L48) is "basically a worthless implement"?
Quite some "dealer" you have there!
I think he may need to spend some time at a Kubota re-education camp.

Don't have a clue where they are where you reside. Look 'em up online. They deliver btw and pick them up when you are finished. Far as the usefulness of a BH attachment, I'm sure some owners use them but I bet most don't or at least not enough to justify the cost.

Everyone wants a Ferrari, but not everyone can afford one, me included. My dealer is primarily a large Kubota (ag related dealer).

Your mileage and mine differ.