tuolumne
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Can't be too careful.
Baled Kid!!
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mjarrels
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- 1949 farmall, 1961 Fordson Dexta, 1986 Duetz Allis, 2001 Kubota.
About ten years ago, I went to a local job fair for the railroad... left at the first break after finding out the job included jumping on and off moving freight trains! Not for me!
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AKfish
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I don't even want to talk about all the dumb, wild and downright crazy things I've done on the farm and around equipment!!
(And I won't/don't talk about some of those things around my boys 'cause I don't want them to get the impression that it's ANYTHING I want them to copycat!)
Hindsight and payin' close attention to the grief of others is a well-spring of common sense.
I measure the risks and try to find a balance between being too **** and getting in the way of my son's learning and developing a sense of his own capabilities and being too lackadasical or negligent.
Reading these posts --- it sure sounds like that what most of us do. Strike a balance between giving ourselves and our kids enough latitude to develop important skills, yet, at the same time, ensuring that we're not putting them in a situation that is simply too risky and dangerous that would create a "memory of several lifetimes..."
AKfish
(And I won't/don't talk about some of those things around my boys 'cause I don't want them to get the impression that it's ANYTHING I want them to copycat!)
Hindsight and payin' close attention to the grief of others is a well-spring of common sense.
I measure the risks and try to find a balance between being too **** and getting in the way of my son's learning and developing a sense of his own capabilities and being too lackadasical or negligent.
Reading these posts --- it sure sounds like that what most of us do. Strike a balance between giving ourselves and our kids enough latitude to develop important skills, yet, at the same time, ensuring that we're not putting them in a situation that is simply too risky and dangerous that would create a "memory of several lifetimes..."
AKfish
Birdhunter1
Veteran Member
I learned how to run equipment sitting on the fender just like that kid on my dad's tractor, he'd run a few roudns in a field and after a few rounds we'd switch places and he'd be on the fender with me running the machine, two or three rounds and he would jump off and leave me to it, if he felt I could handle it. Granted I had been on that tractor alot already but I always remember being on the tractor with my dad as a kid, from his Allis Chalmers WD 45 or the MF 135 or 165 I always remember being on that tractor with him. I liked the WD 45 the best, if I remember right the lift controls were up by the steering wheel and he'd let me operate them, the 135 and 165 the lift controls were off to the side and I always stood on the other side where I coudl not reach them.
Rara Avis
Veteran Member
As a active Firefighter/EMT and trained Farmedic...I can attest that
Farm Work is dangerous...in fact it's #8 on the hit list...
The 10 most dangerous jobs
Occupation Fatalities per 100,000
1. Timber cutters 117.8
2. Fishers 71.1
3. Pilots and navigators 69.8
4. Structural metal workers 58.2
5. Drivers-sales workers 37.9
6. Roofers 37
7. Electrical power installers 32.5
8. Farm occupations 28
9. Construction laborers 27.7
10.Truck drivers 25
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics; survey of occupations with minimum 30 fatalities and 45,000 workers in 2002
If you ever get a chance you should have your Farm Organization have someone from the Farmedic Program come in and give a safety presentation to your group...it will open your eyes...
Farm Work is dangerous...in fact it's #8 on the hit list...
The 10 most dangerous jobs
Occupation Fatalities per 100,000
1. Timber cutters 117.8
2. Fishers 71.1
3. Pilots and navigators 69.8
4. Structural metal workers 58.2
5. Drivers-sales workers 37.9
6. Roofers 37
7. Electrical power installers 32.5
8. Farm occupations 28
9. Construction laborers 27.7
10.Truck drivers 25
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics; survey of occupations with minimum 30 fatalities and 45,000 workers in 2002
If you ever get a chance you should have your Farm Organization have someone from the Farmedic Program come in and give a safety presentation to your group...it will open your eyes...
BXRICK
Silver Member
Some random observations:
- Life is risky.
- Most everything has a risk associated with it.
- We all have different risk tolerances, both for ourselves and for others, including our kids.
- Most risks are not perfectly calculable.
- I get annoyed when I see a person buy a Volvo because of its supposed crash-worthiness, and then drive it 85 mph down the highway.
- It's not ALL about "safety first". If it were, we'd all be wearing helmets and firesuits in our cars. We don't. There's other elements at play besides safety.
- I once read somewhere on this forum that the most effective safety device that could be added to a car is a 10 inch spike on the steering wheel, pointed at your chest. You'd drive REALLY carefully with such a device.
- My father (both my parents, really) spent a lot of time teaching practical safety. Everything had a reason; it wasn't just an arbitrary rule. For instance, when he'd get out the circular saw, he'd pick up a piece if wood about the size of my finger, quickly buzz through it, and point out how easily that could have gone through my finger. When you're 6, that has a lasting effect.
- Life is risky.
- Most everything has a risk associated with it.
- We all have different risk tolerances, both for ourselves and for others, including our kids.
- Most risks are not perfectly calculable.
- I get annoyed when I see a person buy a Volvo because of its supposed crash-worthiness, and then drive it 85 mph down the highway.
- It's not ALL about "safety first". If it were, we'd all be wearing helmets and firesuits in our cars. We don't. There's other elements at play besides safety.
- I once read somewhere on this forum that the most effective safety device that could be added to a car is a 10 inch spike on the steering wheel, pointed at your chest. You'd drive REALLY carefully with such a device.
- My father (both my parents, really) spent a lot of time teaching practical safety. Everything had a reason; it wasn't just an arbitrary rule. For instance, when he'd get out the circular saw, he'd pick up a piece if wood about the size of my finger, quickly buzz through it, and point out how easily that could have gone through my finger. When you're 6, that has a lasting effect.
N80
Super Member
I know a neurologist who wears a motorcycle helmet.....in his car. He takes care of a lot of head injuries.
I was looking over some farm photos the other day. Found a picture of my 15 year old niece hanging off the side of the tractor as her dad pulled the hay wagons around. As I described above somewhere, she jumps down and unhooks the wagons so her dad can get the bales down. Hooks them back up when he's done, etc, etc. Don't even want to post the pic since a lot of folks would be horrified.
Along with that pic is her 17 year old sister standing beside and petting one of their bulls. He is taller than she is at the shoulder.
I'd hitch a ride on the tractor before petting that bull. Of course I was only a few feet away with the camera at the time.
I was looking over some farm photos the other day. Found a picture of my 15 year old niece hanging off the side of the tractor as her dad pulled the hay wagons around. As I described above somewhere, she jumps down and unhooks the wagons so her dad can get the bales down. Hooks them back up when he's done, etc, etc. Don't even want to post the pic since a lot of folks would be horrified.
Along with that pic is her 17 year old sister standing beside and petting one of their bulls. He is taller than she is at the shoulder.
I'd hitch a ride on the tractor before petting that bull. Of course I was only a few feet away with the camera at the time.
TrippleT
Gold Member
I used to ride to what we called the bottoms with a kid on an old Farmall. Would stand there on the axle housing and no fender or anything. The kid smoked and he would dip a piece of rope in the fuel tank then pull the plug wire off and let the spark light his cigarette. Actually Dukes, roll your own. I guess I digressed there. But, on the serious side I posted this once before. I knew a guy who was running a brush cutter with his grandson on the tractor. The kid fell off and went right under the cutter, and came out in pieces. The grandfather never got over it.
My owners manual says to never let anyone ride on the tractor. I am sure the manufacturer knows as much as anyone, machinery can be dangerous. Yet, I have succumbed to giving a short ride to my own grandson. But not with a mower running and I was on flat ground. Even that is not safe. It is better to be safe than sorry.
My owners manual says to never let anyone ride on the tractor. I am sure the manufacturer knows as much as anyone, machinery can be dangerous. Yet, I have succumbed to giving a short ride to my own grandson. But not with a mower running and I was on flat ground. Even that is not safe. It is better to be safe than sorry.
Renze
Elite Member
My father is very cautious with kids on tractors... about 25 years ago, when he had an open station Deere 510, he had neighbor's son on the mudguard.
HE cant tell how, but next thing he (will allways) remembers himself holding the kid on his T-shirt, in front of the rear tire, while using his other limbs to brake all he can to stop the tractor before the T-shirt would give...
My brother ties his kid in the mate's seat with bale twine even on cabbed tractors. When risks are predictable, they arent as risky... when they are unpredictable, like a kid told to hold himself to the rops structure and sit still, that's the real risk....
Or actually.... this is risk predictable as well because we know kids are unpredictable...
HE cant tell how, but next thing he (will allways) remembers himself holding the kid on his T-shirt, in front of the rear tire, while using his other limbs to brake all he can to stop the tractor before the T-shirt would give...
My brother ties his kid in the mate's seat with bale twine even on cabbed tractors. When risks are predictable, they arent as risky... when they are unpredictable, like a kid told to hold himself to the rops structure and sit still, that's the real risk....
Or actually.... this is risk predictable as well because we know kids are unpredictable...
horse7
Gold Member
Seems there are a lot of people saying they think the risk (pick your risk) is acceptable, but everything I've read shows that if they lose a risk that has a severe downside-- like the kid is chopped up in a BH-- suddenly they regret it.
Everyone's line in the sand is different, but too many people don't think about the price of losing before doing something, only after having the odds come up against them.
History is written by the winners, not by the losers in the graveyard.
Everyone's line in the sand is different, but too many people don't think about the price of losing before doing something, only after having the odds come up against them.
History is written by the winners, not by the losers in the graveyard.