Barn Cat?

[tcreeley]

-don't have to buy rats and snakes from the pet store for his owls!

 

[ovrszd]

-don't have to buy rats and snakes from the pet store for his owls!

Good one!!!! Heheheheheh.....

 

[kevin37b]

Human survival tends to depend on animals .Beef , pork ,chicken , mutton , fish , snake etc . When the animals depend on us it is a little different ?

 

[MossRoad]

Soooooooo ... some will see beheading undesirable humans as "normal", while others will see it as being a tad "callous." OK then ....

No sir - there are standards of decency to which ALL should be held accountable.

Hey, if we're going down the capitol punishment lane.... what's the difference? Personally, I'd rather be beheaded in a guillotine than injected, electrocuted, hung, shot, etc... the head comes off, I'm dead.

 

[MossRoad]

I agree, I don't like to see any animal or human suffer. As the higher level of being on earth, we have the obligation to see to it that all animals we are responsible for do not suffer needlessly due to our inactions or actions.

Yep! :thumbsup:

 

[MossRoad]

My point was is that the jury is still not in (and may never be) on who was actually here first...just because some "walked" (and stayed) here does not make them indigenous i.e., "native" or even being the first ones to "visit"...

There is strong evidence that some of the first migrations of humans into N.A. came from South and Central America...and not across the Bearing Land Bridge...Thus the adamant refusal of the current "native American' lobby to flat out ignore/deny forensic archaeological facts (and DNA) that proves that Mayans (and possibly Aztecs) may have ventured into N.A. long before the northern tribes/clans...

I am not disputing the atrocities against what are commonly referred to as "native Americans" the Europeans etc. brought on them...but IMO the treatment of the (native American) masses by their own leadership greatly over shadows said atrocities by white/European etc. "interlopers"...

N.A. Tribes today are raking in mega-billions of dollars via relaxed tax rights (casinos, tobacco etc.) etc....yet none of that money seems to reach their masses...the lower classes of a large percentage of contemporary native Americans are as or more indigent than any other minorities...

IMO...I think there should be an independent foundation/trust that should be responsible for the distribution of revenue generated by said tax/regulation/exemptions etc...IMO, the populations of current "native Americans" are being treated much worse today, under the power of their own people/leadership and is worse today or as bad as the treatment by early European etc. societies/establishments in the past...

As with any group of people, some native American tribes are run well and some are not. We can't give their money to our government for redistribution back to them. A deep discussion of that would need to happen over in the politics forum. The local tribe here seems to have a pretty good system. They are buying up land, making tribal services available to their people, restoring wetlands, etc....

 

[MossRoad]

Sometimes "implied" action appears to be "normal" to one person and not normal to another. The obstacle this thread can't seem to get over is taking one liners and twisting them to fit our own individual ideas.

He said with the smirky faced emoticon... hahahaaa

Not spayin/netureing or vaccinating cats and letting them roam and reproduce uncontrolled is not normal. It affects everyone just as not vaccinating children affects everyone. Its a bad farming practice to have un-vaccinated animals roaming around. Its also immoral to let diseased animals suffer. There is nothing normal, or natural about it.

 

[MossRoad]

Well stated. I respect your statements. Just as you accept and respect other's choices. That's something this thread has been short of. Well stated.

Not many people respect or accept someone's choice to let animals suffer. If I see someone beating a dog, I say something. If I see someone beating a cat, I say something. If I see somebody letting cats reproduce uncontrollably, not vaccinating them and letting them suffer, I say something. The reason this thread has been short of acceptance is because the practice is unacceptable.

 

[MossRoad]

Oh my God,,,, is he suggesting that it's okay to feed his cats to the owls????

I think he did. :laughing:

 

[ovrszd]

Not many people respect or accept someone's choice to let animals suffer. If I see someone beating a dog, I say something. If I see someone beating a cat, I say something. If I see somebody letting cats reproduce uncontrollably, not vaccinating them and letting them suffer, I say something. The reason this thread has been short of acceptance is because the practice is unacceptable.

In my opinion, what you lack is the ability to understand that it might be acceptable to someone, if it's not acceptable to you.

Animals suffering has been fabricated in this thread.

And up until now no one has talked about beating their dog, cat or any other animal, again fabricated by you.

Again, the reason this thread is short of acceptance is because of your lack of it. Not the OP's. Not mine. Yours.

 

[/pine]

In my opinion, what you lack is the ability to understand that it might be acceptable to someone, if it's not acceptable to you.

Animals suffering has been fabricated in this thread.

And up until now no one has talked about beating their dog, cat or any other animal, again fabricated by you.

Again, the reason this thread is short of acceptance is because of your lack of it. Not the OP's. Not mine. Yours.

IMO...Be it physical abuse or neglect...it is still irresponsible and unacceptable...I don't care whether someone else thinks it's acceptable or not...it's still abuse and IMO anyone that condones or practices it proves they are an ignorant waste of oxygen...

 

[SPIKER]

IMO...Be it physical abuse or neglect...it is still irresponsible and unacceptable...I don't care whether someone else thinks it's acceptable or not...it's still abuse and IMO anyone that condones or practices it proves they are an ignorant waste of oxygen...

To me having an animal spayed or neutered is abuse! What is ALL ANIMALS #1 priority even above survival is reproduction so YOU are the one who is going against nature. Look at May Flys they are born WITHOUT stomachs only reproductive organs so they can spawn, breed and maintain the species.

How many people (VETS) do you know or operations have you seen where the spay/neuter process has been done>? My neighbor is a VET and works part time in a mobile vet van for county doing these low cost/free fixes. He does hundreds of pets every month or two, the standard practice is to strap the pets down belly up and cut them open often with little to no pain killer. Same with yanking out the claws on cats or dogs Most times they cut off tails dew claws and cats claws with no pain meds...

To me that is what is wrong!!

My profile pic is my dog, (7 years old now & 6 mo in pic he is setting on couch right beside me!) We had him fixed this summer because of an enlarged testi/prostate. He was in bad shape for several days afterwords as one was undecended and the doc had to double dose him (knockout drugs) and cut him open in 3 spots to find the one that was up inside. Had he not been swelling up he would never have had it be fixed, only his discomfort lead us to fix him in hopes it would help him feel better. So far it seems to have been a wash as for a week he was in rather bad shape, and was over a month healing up from the operations.


Mark

 

[DieselnHooters]

I have a couple owls roosting occasionally in the barn, so I think I will also put in a couple owl houses for the longterm. If the owls enjoy the cats eventually, that's the chain of life, more-so than their being euthanized by the local shelter.

I dont doubt this can happen but I'd like to see some owl swoop down on Ole Tom here, he is a lean mean 17 pounds, I believe that owl would never soar again

 

[FTG-05]

I'll stick with my cats, all female, all fixed, three are teenager kittens, the fourth an adult. When I work in the shop, they leave me alone. When I take a rest (which is often since a) I'm retired; b) not on a clock and c) my wife can't see me), the three kittens/teenagers come running to get their daily dose of rubbin' and lovin' It's getting so that all they have to do is get near me and they start purring!

 

[aczlan]

Any vet that would do what you have suggested "...with no pain meds..." is a quack vet and should face criminal charges...

Agreed. My wife worked for a large animal vet who would on a "slow week" send out a vet and a student intern to their clients (dairy farms) to do spay and neuter days where they would spay or neuter any cats on the farm and give them their shots for the cost of materials.
They always put the cats (most of whom would probably qualify as feral and were only caught because the farm used livetraps with cat food in them) under sedation before operating on them.

Aaron Z

 

[ovrszd]

IMO...Be it physical abuse or neglect...it is still irresponsible and unacceptable...I don't care whether someone else thinks it's acceptable or not...it's still abuse and IMO anyone that condones or practices it proves they are an ignorant waste of oxygen...

Now we have progressed to the point that anyone that doesn't agree with you are ignorant and a waste of oxygen. What do you suggest for us, termination??

 

[/pine]

It's too bad there are not programs that spay and neuter humans that think it's acceptable to abuse/neglect/abandon their animals (of any kind).

...The human gene pool would be much better off...!

 

[ovrszd]

It's too bad there are not programs that spay and neuter humans that think it's acceptable to abuse/neglect/abandon their animals (of any kind).

...The human gene pool would be much better off...!

Again, we've drifted off track and now are abusing, neglecting and abandoning our animals.

Maybe I need to reread this whole thread. Maybe I missed some terrible stuff that you and Mossroad read?? If so I apologize.

 

[/pine]

Now we have progressed to the point that anyone that doesn't agree with you are ignorant and a waste of oxygen. What do you suggest for us, termination??

If you think that in any sense of the word it is "acceptable" to abuse animals...then yes...but not before you suffer the same abuse...!