Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #941  
You're lucky. I bought gas last week for $2.999 at a no-name station, first time less than $3 in a long long time.
 
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You're lucky. I bought gas last week for $2.999 at a no-name station, first time less than $3 in a long long time.

We are about 60 miles from where the barges come up the MS River from the refiners so there is little trucking involved and they load at a river site plus we are a very poor people.
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #943  
All one needs to do is look at mountain top mining, choked streams, contaminated ground water, etc. Coal is DIRTY and obsolete.
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Shows how honest you are by quoting 1930 era images . Does today痴 transpiration , housing and farming also look the same as the 1930痴 ?
 
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You're right Kenmac, Minnesota is much more forward looking regarding eliminating coal fired power plants. Thankfully, Dairyland Power has finally got the memo that coal is yesterday's fuel resource. Each year, a smaller percentage of their power comes from dirty coal. They're just a little slow in converting their dirty coal fired plants to natural gas. Across the country, DIRTY Coal is in its death spiral.

Given the information I provided. Have you discontinued electricity to your home ? Or, are you still using electricity to your home provided by that dirty coal ?

Seems like if all you coal haters cut the power, (boycott dirty coal) they would speed up the process of converting all electricity generation to Nat. gas
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #946  
Shows how honest you are by quoting 1930 era images . Does today痴 transpiration , housing and farming also look the same as the 1930痴 ?

Here's a more current photo from AP
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Dennis Ferrell, a coal miner of 15 years, watches over conveyor belts carrying coal out of the Sally Ann 1 mine Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2015, in Welch, W.Va. Now employment is falling further because the world is trying to turn away from coal in hopes of protecting the environment and human health. Coal is by far the biggest source of carbon dioxide and airborne pollutants among fuels used to make electricity. (AP Photo/David Goldman)
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #947  
The decline of coal powered power plants is well on it's way. Dairyland electric is decommissioning coal power plants, not building new ones. The numbers in Wisconsin will improve over time.

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/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #948  
Here's a more current photo from AP
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Dennis Ferrell, a coal miner of 15 years, watches over conveyor belts carrying coal out of the Sally Ann 1 mine Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2015, in Welch, W.Va. Now employment is falling further because the world is trying to turn away from coal in hopes of protecting the environment and human health. Coal is by far the biggest source of carbon dioxide and airborne pollutants among fuels used to make electricity. (AP Photo/David Goldman)
AP is not a valid technical source . Nor is the term “ Coal is by far the biggest source of carbon dioxide and airborne pollutants among fuels used to make electricity “.
Western Civilization coal power generation is strictly regulated and controlled . If you have a problem with coal power , travel to 3rd world country if your choice and protest there . Their disposal of plastic via dumping trash into the ocean is no better .
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #949  
The decline of coal powered power plants is well on it's way. Dairyland electric is decommissioning coal power plants, not building new ones. The numbers in Wisconsin will improve over time.

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Including hydro electric power generation with solar and wind is playing games with statistics. Post the generation of power of wind and solar independently. Also post both the numbers of installed capacity AND actual output .
A 3 Mw wind turbine sounds impressive until people understand it only generates 1 Mw. And this generation occurs when off peak power is not required on the electrical grid .Wind generation during weekends , nights and spring/fall when the grid demand is lowest and the winds are the highest .
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #950  
Battery charging may just fit into off peak generation.
 
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/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #954  
Thing is, the climate is changing and there's nothing man can do to prevent it. Just ask the dinosaurs. They were killed by climate change when there was no human here
 
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I think the hard part of all of this talk is knowing 90% if not 99% (per Elon Musk) start ups fail. Failure is common where success is very very rare.

The EV concept is easier for many of us because it is no longer a concept thanks to Elon Musk having moved the concept to reality in real time in front of our eyes. Save the few who had parents or grandparents that thought NASA never put a man on the moon most in the major countries at some level know with EV's it is not IF but When.

The purchase of our 2016 Nissan Leaf SL was for several reasons. One, two and three is I have to touch things to learn. I am OK with concepts but they take decades to take shape in my dense head. When the wife went back to work after breaking her hip the first day of summer when a horse accidentally ran into her in the horse lot I decided to become a Go Get Her so that is a 30 mile trip twice a day. Another factor my son had just finished an associates degree in the field of diesel trucking repair and I realized soon it was going to be about electric semis. Actually the head of the diesel college where he now works as an assistant is looking for a hybrid diesel semi because he told me the people studying in the program are going to spend more years working of self driving electric semis than diesel powered semis.

After six weeks (2500 miles) the traction battery on our Leaf battery health was down to 62% of what it was 38 months earlier when first sold which triggered a warranty claim. Yesterday I learned the new traction battery had been installed and it was ready for me to pick up when I called for an update. I have a ride worked out for tomorrow because it is almost 2 hours one way to the closest Nissan Leaf certified dealership repair center. I had dropped the car off 30 Dec 2019 so EV service is not for the faint of heart perhaps. Actually the Nissan part retailing for $12,495.00 plus labor was a speed bump for some at Nissan but their contract with the Leaf owners is in black and white. At the national level Nissan has Leaf customer reps for things like I ran into to make sure contracts are honored and can save the day for EV owners.

On a plus note a few weeks ago Nissan decided not to replace any of the failing 30 kWh batteries with like batteries that they had not used in new Leafs since late 2017. Now they use the 40 kWh batteries like in a 2020 Leaf. The Plus gets the larger 62 kWh battery.

New our Leaf came with a range of 107 mile but the effective range was down to 60 miles when I bought it. Tomorrow I am expecting to see a range of 150 miles per full charge.

Buying an EV I am finding is the best way to learn/experience the awesome, good, bad and ugly of EV ownership. Since the son is spending $200 a month on gas to get to work I would like to find an EV for him but at min his daily drive 80 miles and can be 120 miles some day. Since his carport is actually attached to the two bay shop his charging cost would be free since I pay the shop meter bill. :)

Thanks to all helping make this a learning thread about EV's of all types. Coal is not a factor for or against EV's. Who set the world on fire is not an issue for or against EV's. What has been an issue against EV's for over 100 years is affordable battery packs that are good for 300 miles of range between charges. The technology is here today and the price point is improving. One kWh of battery power is good for close to 4 miles of range in normal city driving with no pedal to the metal driving. At $100 per kWh cost that would mean a cost of $25 for every mile of desired range.

Actually a fully charged EV can power a home as a back up generator and provide 120v/240v power at a job site as a bonus of EV ownership. They are also cool for RVing all electric.
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #957  
My source says the Dinasour experiment was intentionally ended. Maybe the HUMAN experiment will or is meeting the same fate.
 
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Battery charging may just fit into off peak generation.
Battery charging does not work . Don’t waste our time with fables of new cheaper and better batteries just around the corner . That story is decades old .
Also spare us the compressed air , trains on mountains and pumped hydraulic reservoirs tales as well.
 
/ Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #960  
Musk has been protected with the tax payers dollars and custom written legislation. Of course his odds of success are better than average .
 
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