Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[travisbb]

From the article:

A mid-priced internal combustion car that gets 33 miles per gallon would cost $8.58 in overall costs to drive 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon, the study found. But a mid-priced EV, such as Chevrolet Bolt, Nissan Leaf or a Tesla Model 3, would cost $12.95 to drive 100 miles in terms of costs that include recharging the vehicle using mostly a commercial charger.

For luxury cars that get 26 miles per gallon and using premium gas at $3.25 a gallon, the cost to drive an internal combustion car 100 miles is $12.60. The cost to drive a luxury EV, such as a Taycan, Tesla Model S or X or Jaguar I-Pace, is $15.52 to travel 100 miles. That is using mostly commercial chargers.

It seems that charging at residential rates is important for EVs to be cost effective. But everybody already knew that. This is going to be a major problem with the EV transition for the many living without a private garage. But that's not new either.

It'll be important to watch how the electrical grids adapt to this, especially with the big push for renewables which tend to result in very low wholesale electricity prices during the middle of the day when everybody is at work and high wholesale prices all other times when everybody is at home and should be charging.

 

[Jstpssng]

I don’t view EVs as better or worse; rather they are different. For some applications such as short trips or in heavily congested areas they will help to move the pollution source elsewhere.
What I find ironic is that we have an upcoming referendum, trying to stop a major transmission line which is being built to bring “Green” power from Quebec Hydro to Massachusetts via western Maine. Yet at the same time dams are being pulled all over this state because hydro power is bad.

 

[PuffyC]

"EVs cost more to power than gasoline costs to fuel an internal combustion car that gets reasonable gas mileage."

Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas -- and results were surprising | Texarkana Gazette

Last year Patrick Anderson went electric: He got a Porsche Taycan EV in dark blue.

www.texarkanagazette.com

This is the industry version of clickbait.

1. Create a study that claims something shocking.
2. Make it part of a series with the first one free (the rest of this series is available only by subscription).
3. Peddle it to people and groups pushing an agenda.
4. Profit!

Just a few of the interesting tidbits you’ll find in this study:

They figure you’ll personally spend 6 hours each month simply finding a charger, and then standing there blindly staring at that charger while it works, unable to do anything else. They value that time at $33 an hour (!), for a “cost” each month of about $190 in time to charge your vehicle.

They assume drivers will use a commercial charger 90% of the time, and that the cost for that is up to 66 (!) cents a kWh. Nuff said about that.

They assume every EV owner will drive over 700 miles every year trying to find a charging station. That’s 10 miles of aimless wandering every single time you charge your EV.

They assume every state charges EVs an extra $200 a year in taxes. Only a few actually do today.

It just goes on and on like this. Are they lying? No, because theoretically their scenario potentially exists, it’s just that none of it represents reality for 99% of the world.

 

[Egon]

The first Porsche was electric!

 

[Fuddy1952]

I don't mind anything as long as people have choices. Government mandates, phasing out things, forcing things on people is what bothers me. Let people decide what to drive, how to live, etc.

 

[lman]

Afford

I don't mind anything as long as people have choices. Government mandates, phasing out things, forcing things on people is what bothers me. Let people decide what to drive, how to live, etc.

Affordable gas doesn't appear to be an option anymore.

 

[Jstpssng]

Afford

Affordable gas doesn't appear to be an option anymore.

Even if it gets to 6$/ gallon I can still buy a lot of gas for the price of a Rivian.

I burn about 1000 gallons/year in my pickup.

 

[3930dave]

It's a major, major change and foolish not to look at it from every angle. Never assume new is always better. Never embrace everything that comes down the pike as an improvement without looking deeper.

But if we follow your line of thinking, how will the Right People make the Right Money ????

Big Wink

As the last almost 2 years have highlighted, many times, there is one set of Rules for peasants like me, and different (or no) Rules for Richey Rich....

Just to get to work, and buy groceries. I need reliable and affordable personal transportation in the frozen North. I'm told my ICE options will disappear.

Billionares however, can blast rockets into space, just because. Who's permission did they get to add that pollution to the atmosphere? Not Mine.

Megayachts - one cruise in those will likely blow more carbon, than any ICE vehicle I could drive to work, assuming I kept working till I was 100.

Peasants - get used to No ICE.

Billionares - Smoke 'em if Ya Got Em !

Rgds, D.

 

[SylvainG]

"EVs cost more to power than gasoline costs to fuel an internal combustion car that gets reasonable gas mileage."

Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas -- and results were surprising | Texarkana Gazette

Last year Patrick Anderson went electric: He got a Porsche Taycan EV in dark blue.

www.texarkanagazette.com

If you have the money to buy a EV Porsche and don't bother to install a Level 2 charger at your place, you're an idiot. This guy is an idiot.

 

[Fuddy1952]

Afford

Affordable gas doesn't appear to be an option anymore.

I thought of that...hmmmm...think about that

 

[Fuddy1952]

But if we follow your line of thinking, how will the Right People make the Right Money ????

Big Wink

As the last almost 2 years have highlighted, many times, there is one set of Rules for peasants like me, and different (or no) Rules for Richey Rich....

Just to get to work, and buy groceries. I need reliable and affordable personal transportation in the frozen North. I'm told my ICE options will disappear.

Billionares however, can blast rockets into space, just because. Who's permission did they get to add that pollution to the atmosphere? Not Mine.

Megayachts - one cruise in those will likely blow more carbon, than any ICE vehicle I could drive to work, assuming I kept working till I was 100.

Peasants - get used to No ICE.

Billionares - Smoke 'em if Ya Got Em !

Rgds, D.

Very true.
Forcing people to buy electric though?

 

[Fuddy1952]

I don't smoke but I remember cigarettes 25 cents/pack. What are they now, about $5?
I used to buy cigs all the time, as a kid lots of friends parents, and I had many older friends (wisdom...young people today don't talk to us stupid old farts).
Some things it's bait & switch. Incentives, rebates, sell below MSRP, get you hooked then lower the boom.
Food for thought is all.

 

[Jstpssng]

^^^^
Much of the price of cigarettes goes to taxes. I once stood in line at a convenience store for about 15 minutes while the woman in front of me tried to convince the clerk that her 3 cartons of cigarettes shouldn't cost more than $200. I must have taken something like a cup of coffee as usually I won't waste my time waiting.

 

[3930dave]

If you have the money to buy a EV Porsche and don't bother to install a Level 2 charger at your place, you're an idiot. This guy is an idiot.

On Rodeo Drive, or even @ Starbux, industrial scale chargers don't have a lot of poseur value....

I don't equate specific branding, or the willingness to take on extensive debt necessarily with brains.

ur posted in another thread about surgeons at the Cali hospital he works at, liking to gloat about how the Tesla's they drive don't cost them anything to charge @ home, due to the solar panels they have.

They didn't know enough to spend their wealth on island-capable PV systems, so when the Cali grid shuts down for days or longer, those panels on the surgeon's roofs did nothing but shield the roof from UV.

Even adding wealth to perceived smarts in one area does not guarantee results in other sectors....

Rgds, D.

 

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[Jstpssng]

The richest known hard rock lithium deposit in the world?

https://bangordailynews.com/2021/10...illion-lithium-deposit-discovered-near-newry/

Yet like petroleum, this is also a finite resource. There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.

 

[SylvainG]

The sun is the closest thing

 

[Fuddy1952]

50 years ago a student was sleeping through a class in engineering when instructor was talking about solar panels. Teacher woke him up, asking why he was asleep? He said because "they'll never figure out how to put a meter on the sun".

 

[Jstpssng]

50 years ago a student was sleeping through a class in engineering when instructor was talking about solar panels. Teacher woke him up, asking why he was asleep? He said because "they'll never figure out how to put a meter on the sun".

GROAN!!!

 

[Frankenkubota]

The sun is the closest thing

it's running out of gas

and

the sky is falling