Best all around gun?

[Soundguy]

Why don't you just play Russian Roulette? There's a reason the IBC requires every habitable space to have an egress window. If a fire starts outside that bedroom, it will kill you. There are more sensible things to be afraid of than bad guys.

About 5 years ago, a guy did a garage conversion to a pair of bedrooms for his teenage daughters. He didn't want to get a building permit, so he bootlegged it in and didn't install windows. When his house caught fire, both girls were trapped and burned to death. When the fire department got there they could still hear the girls screaming, but by the time they got the chainsaw out and cut through the outside wall, it was too late.

Don't let your paranoia make you stupid.

perhaps you may want to brush up on your reading comprehension.

I said my plans were -fully- approved.

in post # 231 I even specified more details:

as for fire escape.. I have sufficient legal egress as per county fire code.. and it's way easier to leave my room that way thru a door, than trying to climb out a window.

soundguy

Don't let your haste to judge me paranoid thinking I'm stupid, make you blind to what I clearly wrote in black and white, that my bedroom fully complies with fire egress code and that doesn't involve any stinking windows. they actually even sugested I could put in a transom window for fire egress. yeah right. I'd burn to death trying to get out that transom window.. piling furniture up and then tring to wedge out sideways.. what a crock.

some people in this thread are so ravenous aginst a few of us that they are missing they can't see the forest thru the trees.

PS.. please don't call me stupid again.. i find it quite offensive.

soundguy

 

[wrooster]

Does Wrooster have any real world experience with shotguns?

You should be more selective in picking fights.

I am a competitive trap and sporting clays shooter, using a 12ga Beretta AL391 Urika II Gold. There are a couple of folks on TBN who can vouch for how much I shoot. I am a degreed engineer with a machine shop in my basement, and have hand-built two different types of automated, motor driven, random arc clay pigeon throwing machines. I also shoot three-gun, using an LMT AR15, a 12ga Mossberg 590A1, and a 9mm HK P2000.

Now tell us all, what "real world" experience do you have with a shotgun?

I am still trying to digest the one about bird shot not going thru 2 layers of sheet rock at 10 feet.:laughing::laughing::laughing: or the heavy jacket stopping a 12 gauge round at less than 10 feet..:confused2::confused2::confused2:

Read up and you might learn something:
The Box O' Truth - The Box O' Truth

Specifically, see
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1

Wrooster

 

[Soundguy]

There's a reason the IBC requires every habitable space to have an egress window. .

PS.. you are -incorrect-.

It requires egress.. but does not specify that it MUST be a window.

the devil is in the details.

here's some light reading:

In establishing the code, the authors considered the need for a firefighter with an oxygen backpack needing to be able to enter your home through your windows in order to pull you to safety. These requirements only apply to 都leeping areas but could include your office or study if it has a closet in it, which can allow the city to say it really is a bedroom. Any sleeping area with a door directly opening to the exterior of the home is exempt from meeting the egress requirements on windows. Only one opening meeting egress requirements is needed in each sleeping area. Upstairs sleeping areas are also required to meet egress requirements.

The requirements are all based on ç”°lear opening which means that with the window fully open (which must not require any keys or tools as some burglar bars do) , the size of the opening must be a minimum of 20 wide AND 24 high AND a total of 5.7 square feet. Multiply the width in inches by the height in inches, then divide by 144 to get square feet. Many windows will meet one or two of the requirements but not all three. All three requirements must be met.

A good rough rule of thumb is that a window 3 feet wide by 5 feet tall will usually meet egress. Bedrooms in older homes with twin 3 foot by 3 foot windows above a bed do not meet egress. Some cities will allow these to be replaced 妬n like kind (in the same way, if that is what was already there, a practice called å*µrandfathering? but a better way is usually to use a 2 panel horizontal sliding window so that one entire side slides over, easily meeting egress requirements. This will even save you a little money on the window purchase.

Another way to meet egress in a tough situation is to use a crank out casement window, especially one with å…Žgress hinges that opens fully from the edge of the frame, much like a door.

As a general rule, under the terms of an egress code, every bedroom must have an outlet to the outside, known as a �eans of egress, which can be a window or door, through which someone can easily fit. Many regional egress codes specify that the means of egress must be able to accommodate a fully kitted-out firefighter, to ensure that emergency services will quickly be able to enter a structure in a fire or similar emergency. The code usually mandates a particular minimum size for windows used for egress, and specifies that windows must be low to the floor so that people can get in and out easily.

keep in mind i'm a civil engineer ( we build things like structures... ) and have worked for a general contractor since the late 80's.. that's why the plans I drew were approved, and did meet fire egress code.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Tried that. Forgot to put any cartridges in the pistol......

he forgets that I said my room meets applicable fire egress code, andwas specifically stated as such 10 posts before his reply.

so much for reading threads eh?

soundguy

 

[patrick_g]

Have bedroom walls built of concrete, Metal shutters on the window and a metal door that is locked when the room is occupied. Bad guy can't get at you.

Observe and record the bad guy on the high teck monitoring system installed around the house and in the house. Let the Police have the recordings and deal with bad guy. Lots easier than playing hero and getting hurt.

It'll also be a safe room in case of tornado's etc.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

If'n one depends on movie's for factual information one may be deluded into actions beyond the beleivable!:laughing:

Somehow that bedroom sounds familiar... My master bedroom is constructed from steel reinforced concrete for floor, ceiling, and all walls. Both doors are HD steel doors with 3 deadbolts each. I do have steel shutters on the inside to cover the two windows to complete the saferoom functionality. We each have a handy handgun. Smallest is her .357 mag that is her CCW.

I confess we use the shutters when the weather is forecast to represent a clear and present danger, NOT every night in fear of our lives from intruders BUT... if social conditions deteriorated or for other good cause it would not be too inconvenient to batten down the hatches. I have a similarly "hardened" guest room if I should get bored looking at the same 4 walls during a "seige."

No dogs now but motion detector lights and a wife with super sharp hearing.

Egress issue... Two 3-0 doors located at opposite ends of room. Why crank open a narrow window, fuss with a screen, and try to climb up over sill and get out (sill is 14 inches wide as walls are THICK) when you can walk through a 3 ft wide door?

Hey movie buffs, get real... I have a couple pump 12 ga mag shotguns, one a pistol grip long ammo tube street sweeper. I would never depend on the sound of one to stop someone who has broken in. The sound I would make is a by product of firing rounds at the perp and think my approach will get the message across just fine, albeit possibly posthumously.

Pat

 

[Soundguy]

the guest room's for the girlfriend right?

 

[dmccarty]

....

keep in mind i'm a civil engineer ( we build things like structures... ) and have worked for a general contractor since the late 80's.. that's why the plans I drew were approved, and did meet fire egress code.

soundguy

OK.

Now you done it. You got me all riled up!

This window issue, as soon as you mentioned your room, brought back bad memories.....

When I designed the house I checked the code for egress. One bedroom has an outside door plus a big window. The other two bedrooms, each have two windows. One is 4x5 and the other is 8x6.

My reading of the NC code, which looks similar to what you posted, was that our huge a....d windows would allow egress.

Our builder was a PE. Before he retired he not only inspected NC state buildings regarding code issues but he WROTE the codes.

On our final inspection, we were denied our CO because the windows were not large enough! The windows were/are casements and the window opening contained two or four "windows". The horizontal opening were just a bit too short to pass according to the inspector.

Even my fat father, :laughing:, could have gotten out the window. If a firefighter, in all of their gear, needed to get into the room, they easily could break out the thin wood between each casement window. I think I could do it with my hand if I had too.

To get our CO, we had to order new windows to meet the inspectors interpretation of the code. The builder, window supplier, and I ate the expense of the new windows. The irony is that there is no way a firefighter could get into the house through the replacement windows but they meet the code.

At best the code is not clearly written.

Later,
Dan

 

[patrick_g]

the guest room's for the girlfriend right?

Nope, so far 100% of those prefer the upstairs bedroom which is NOT secure from tornado debris but is much more "femmy." At least it is second floor and takes a big ladder to break in.

Hardened saferoom-guest room is macho manly western theme with pix of the "Duke" on the wall and such.

I know you are not innumerate and can grasp the concept of 100% of zero being equal to zero.

Pat

 

[Tollster]

They are all good, but the user can make any weapon better than the other. If your not good with a gun, buy a lot of them.
Never argue with a man that owns just one, chances are, he knows how to use it!

Moral: Buy any one,and learn to use it, it will more than meet your expectations.

 

[Soundguy]

I'll assume the room with the external door ( not exiting to the side of a house with a pool, fenced in, including the portion the door opens to) passed egress, and the other 2 rooms that had no external door, but did have windows, did not.

they are real picky on exact measurement of the windows for passing egress.. 1sq not enough, or any width or lengthl dimension 1/4" under, and it won't pass.

Am I correct in my assumptions for your situation?

PS.. Mine passed fine.. .. but then.. I said i don't have windows, and wouldn't consider a window a good egress anyway. that's what doors are for.

soundguy

OK.

Now you done it. You got me all riled up!

This window issue, as soon as you mentioned your room, brought back bad memories.....

When I designed the house I checked the code for egress. One bedroom has an outside door plus a big window. The other two bedrooms, each have two windows. One is 4x5 and the other is 8x6.

My reading of the NC code, which looks similar to what you posted, was that our huge a....d windows would allow egress.

Our builder was a PE. Before he retired he not only inspected NC state buildings regarding code issues but he WROTE the codes.

On our final inspection, we were denied our CO because the windows were not large enough! The windows were/are casements and the window opening contained two or four "windows". The horizontal opening were just a bit too short to pass according to the inspector.

Even my fat father, :laughing:, could have gotten out the window. If a firefighter, in all of their gear, needed to get into the room, they easily could break out the thin wood between each casement window. I think I could do it with my hand if I had too.

To get our CO, we had to order new windows to meet the inspectors interpretation of the code. The builder, window supplier, and I ate the expense of the new windows. The irony is that there is no way a firefighter could get into the house through the replacement windows but they meet the code.

At best the code is not clearly written.

Later,
Dan