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   / Best all around gun? #281  
But you can only afford one. Which one...?

What is that told saying, "Fear the guy with only one gun, because he probably knows how to use it"

I agree with Roy. There is noONE gunn deal. A 12 ga pump for varmits and trespassers and a .357 for a house gun.
 
   / Best all around gun? #282  
Being prepared usually has nothing to do with being afraid.

I'm not sure I agree.

If I don't fear the possibility of a creep sneaking into my house, why prepare for that possibility?

If I don't fear the creep that wants to do me harm, I'm foolish - and again wouldn't prepare for him because I'm not afraid of him or what he could do to me.

I think these (rational) fears cause us to take whatever measure of proactive preparedness we deem right for us. Admitting those fears doesn't make us less of a man.

Having said that, some will see what they perceive as "over preparedness" as being overly fearful. That is, the fire extinguisher makes sense, having the fire truck on call in the driveway is overkill... I tend to come down with the later, but to each his own.
 
   / Best all around gun? #283  
I'm not sure I agree.

If I don't fear the possibility of a creep sneaking into my house, why prepare for that possibility?

If I don't fear the creep that wants to do me harm, I'm foolish - and again wouldn't prepare for him because I'm not afraid of him or what he could do to me.

I think these (rational) fears cause us to take whatever measure of proactive preparedness we deem right for us. Admitting those fears doesn't make us less of a man.

Having said that, some will see what they perceive as "over preparedness" as being overly fearful. That is, the fire extinguisher makes sense, having the fire truck on call in the driveway is overkill... I tend to come down with the later, but to each his own.

Golfaddict,

Do you bring an extra pair of pants with you when golfing.......(in case you get a hole-in-one)

Sorry, Just had to.....:laughing:
 
   / Best all around gun? #284  
Golfaddict,

Do you bring an extra pair of pants with you when golfing.......(in case you get a hole-in-one)

Sorry, Just had to.....:laughing:

Man, you had me scratching my head a bit... "clever, but wouldn't that be an over-prepared analogy?"...

Then, re-reading my post, realized I said later rather than former.

(and even miss-spelled latter...I need to stay out of these flaming type threads)
 
   / Best all around gun? #285  
Totally respect that. But I think of preparedness as having some standard of probability. I'm ready for things that there's any real chance of happening, like a storm or a blackout or some kind of economic disruption. For me - just speaking for myself here - having to defend my home from other humans is pretty remote. I live in a country where there were 554 murders nationally last year, the vast majority involving people who knew each other. There were four times as many traffic deaths. It's just not something I worry about. If I lived elsewhere, I'm sure I'd reconsider, and I certainly acknowledge everyone's freedom to set their own risk tolerances.

Insurance is good. We hope and pray we don't get sick, catch the house on fire, have a car wreck, or get sued but it can and does happen so most reasonable people have insurance. There are documented cases of people being hit by meteorites. I saw on the news decades ago where a lady was injured when she was sitting watching TV when a meteorite crashed down through her house and hit her on the head.

Statistics tell us that the odds of a residential structure receiving significant tornadic damage is on the order of once in four thousand years in tornado alley. (NOAA severe weather center at Norman, Oklahoma) I live in the heart of tornado alley and my bed room is a safe room. Is that overkill? Most folks think not.

There are multiple components of risk management. How likely is the event in question. What are the consequences if it happens? What is the cost of amelioration?

Home invasion is not highly likely but if it occurs what are the likely worst case consequences. What does it cost to have insurance (a gun equal to your needs that you are properly trained on.) A few hundred bucks and a few hours of probably mostly pleasant time. I would be a sad person if something happened that was so very simple to avert by being good enough with a readily available gun to protect my life and the lives of any persons at my home.

I am an avid reader of "The Armed Citizen" a monthly reprint of news stories where people have defended their lives, the lives of others and or property by the use of firearms. There are always several stories per month.

Times they are a changing with more amoral people, lowered standards of what passes for civilization, all of which will increase the need for protection.

I don't wear a hard hat to watch TV. I do have self protection guns for use at home, on my person, and in my vehicle when travelling. My wife is also trained and lisc for CCW. We aren't gun fanatics nor "survivalist extremists but when you live 30 min from getting a LEO on site (if you are lucky) you need to be able to take care of yourself. What happens in the first minute of a PROBLEM will likely determine the outcome. Late arriving LEO will file a report or call the meat wagon to haul off any bodies. Whose bodies do you prefer it to be, yours and your loved ones or the bad guys?

Repeating a mantra of it will never happen to me it will never happen to me etc etc offers little realistic protection.

Like with all insurance, I hope to never need it whether for fire, flood, hail, tornado, car wreck or pull my CCW in earnest but having it is a good idea.

Pat
 
   / Best all around gun? #286  
As you articulately point out, risk management is algorithmic: What are the odds, what are the consequences, what are the costs and risks of protection. I think there is a lot of screwed up risk assessment in this world, and a lot of it makes corporations rich. You, on the other hand, sound reasonable and sane about it. In that spirit, I'd say this: For me, the risk of it happening is low, even if the consequences would be high. Thus, the dangers of having a loaded, unsecured long gun in the house are disproportionate to the benefit (handguns aren't worth the grief of getting one in this country).

As I've said, I respect people's choices. I just expect them to respect mine, too.
 
   / Best all around gun? #287  
In We aren't gun fanatics nor "survivalist extremists but when you live 30 min from getting a LEO on site (if you are lucky) you need to be able to take care of yourself.
+1 Also, the firearm the LEO has is for his protection - not ours.
 
   / Best all around gun? #288  
(and even miss-spelled latter...I need to stay out of these flaming type threads)

Just a joke GA, albeit a poor one though.....:laughing:

Funny how this thread didn't start out by being a flaming type.....:confused2:...
 
   / Best all around gun? #289  
patick g,

I loved your post and could not have said it better. I carry because the police have almost a thirty minute response to me and that is if they show up. Also, because the wife and I can not carry a police officer in our pocket all the time. The crime were we live has certainly increased. This includes home invasions and assaults. I have actually apprehended a person and his friend tearing the copper out of a neighbors house. We have had multiple trespassers and one poaching incident in the last few months. I am not even going to start on the lack of assistance from the Sheriff's office or game warden. I have always been raised on the belief of being as self sufficient as possible. This includes protecting myself and my family.

Just my thoughts and stay safe everyone.
 
   / Best all around gun? #290  
Back in cowboy time, when the issues of hunting, predator control and bad guys were a way of life the answer was three guns. You'd have a revolver, a matching caliber lever action rifle and an exposed hammer side by side coachgun. Gather these and you can go out and have fun participating in cowboy action shooting matches. :thumbsup:

Ok so if you dont want to be a cowboy/cowgirl, and want just one gun, you can update the cowboy revolver to become a snub nosed revolver with integrated laser sight. :cool:
 

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