Bringing the draft back ???

[OkeeDon]

I'm with Mike. I didn't serve, but I didn't have a choice. When my number came up during Vietnam, I was rejected for medical reasons. Should that disqualify me, or anyone else like me, from ever accepting a position of leadership? (not that it would have happened in my case, but we're discussing policy, not personality)

 

[cowboydoc]

Now there is something I think we could all agree with.

 

[Chuck52]

Gary,

Unfortunately, "deterence" only works if you are correct in whom you apply it to, and often not even then, as it also generates more anger amongst the friends/relatives/co-religionists of those "detered". I don't think we were right in this instance. You do. I respect your opinion, though I think you are incorrect on this one. I hope the song you refer to doesn't bunch all Arabs together; that's one of the ways we have managed, in my opinion, to screw up the middle east. It's also worth remembering that Arab does not equate in a one-to-one way with muslim. Speaking of songs, I recently listened to some country singer asking all who are against the war in Iraq to "remeber how you felt on 9/11". Even Bush has backed off on his claim that ****** was connected to 9/11. I like the quote from someone...."Invading Iraq in response to 9/11 makes as much sense as invading Mexico because of Pearl Harbour."

On the other hand, getting back to the draft question, I don't know where I stand there. I don't like the idea of compulsory military service, and I do think part of the American ideal is self determination, and that tends to conflict in my mind. I doubt universal compulsory military service would fly here. Maybe I'm wrong. I do agree that it might tend to make our leaders think a bit longer about going to war if their family members were affected. As it is now, one man can take this nation to war. He can be right. He can be wrong. Our children get to pay the price.

Chuck

 

[milkman]

What a lot of people forget is the theme behind this one with Iraq.

wms????
atomic weapons????
immediate threat???
terrorist connections????

What was it about????

 

[Tractors4u]

But?

Is the world a better place now?
Would we have been better off if ****** had stayed in power?
Would the people of Iraq been better off with ******'s two sons running around doing their thing?
Would Khadafi have done what he done if we hadn't went in to Iraq?

This shows that the 17 U.N. resolutions meant something. At the end of Desert Storm ****** agreed to certain stipulations. He chose to ignore those over time. That nullified the postwar agreement.

 

[Chuck52]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Is the world a better place now?
Would we have been better off if ****** had stayed in power?
Would the people of Iraq been better off with ******'s two sons running around doing their thing?
Would Khadafi have done what he done if we hadn't went in to Iraq? )</font>

One mad man is out of power, and quite a few people are dead who would not have been. Apparently, a fair number of Iraqis aren't sure whether they are better off or not. Bush calls the insurgents a "few", but they seem to be numerous enough to do our troops harm. It is also interesting that the religious leader who has stirred up most of the current troubles has enough support to attack us, but he seems not to have been able to attack ******, who killed his father and brothers. He even says the US is the big Devil compared to the small Devil, ******. Did Khadafi do what he did because of Iraq? If you support the Iraq war you may believe he did. On the other hand, his son, who may have been instrumental in getting him to be nice, says it was in the works before we invaded. So....do the reasons we went in no longer matter? Not really. We're stuck with it. Mutating rationales for war are nothing new. Many middle eastern leaders, including some who are our allies, at least in public, say that our actions in Iraq have created and will continue to create thousands of followers for Bin Laden. Is the world better off? We won't know for a while yet.

Chuck

 

[polecat]

I was not old enuff 2 have gone to Vnam but I most definitely have a few things 2 say !!!
After being laid off a few weeks ago I seem 2 have a lot of free time on my hands and I can honestly say that i've spent an awful lot of it on the internet!!!! BUT HERE THIS!!!( I'VE LEARNED THAT CAPS MEAN I'M SHOUTING!!) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'm not shouting jist speakin loud junkster /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif 99% of the time i've bin on the net has been here with YA"LL!!!
You guys have lifted my spirits up so much it's unbelievable!!!! And i thank YA"LL /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I've been in the archives so much that a week ago I signed up!! Here's why..From learning about how fast a bullet is going when it hit's the ground or possibly "our thick heads" ( a string back in 2001, to what kind of handgun to buy(started by ol'hickory. I've kinda gotten 2 know u guy's and I actuall consider myself a part of a new family!!! That's right guys ....
u jist don't know who you've done it this time ...A real wildcat on yer hand's here!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gifHope ya'll kin put up with me!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The biggest reason I signed up though is how u treat one another!!! I think Don was right!!!Spot on!!! I think that all of TBN oughta b lifted to some of those other sites or better yet ijf there was a problem in the world the military oughta git all of us together and airlift us..tractors and all /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif to that spot!!!With the wisdom, politeness, and love I see here there wouldn't b anywhere we couldn't go and fix it ...If the world were comprised of more people like ya'll and me too( i hope) remains to b seen if i'll change all my shorthand but i'm tryin!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It'd b a much better place two be!!!
I cannot say that I agree with the conflict we are in right now...i feel that ...noope i know in my heart that the "majority" of wars that have been started in the history of the world have been over greed..or religion...But if they had been moderated and thought out by the group of people that I have joined here on TBN ...the world would b a lot better place 2 b!!! Always remeber the old quote "war is very profitable" and yet it is always at the expense of the peoples tax dollars and human lives...If we could take the $$ that has been spent on war everyone earth ccould have a compact tractor!!! Just imagine how big TBN would be !!! Makin plowshares instead of swords!! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
That's all i have 2 say bout it fer now and thanx for bein who u all are...Jist common people who go way out of the way to help everyone u can!! I guess that makes ya'll very uncommon /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Way 2 cool!!!!

One last thing ...The false pretenses we went 2 battle with do not sit well with me.....is there an alterior motive behind it ...mayb oil???
And oh yeah..Mr.Peppper ..worked for tva in decatur as well as knowlogy cable down there and used to live on old monrovia rd so have been all over your backyard!!! and loved it !!!Loved the south and the waffle house cowboy coffee /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Great place and great people!!! Have u bin 2 Mary's pit barbecue in brownsboro!!!! aND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE BOUT THAT DRAFT KEG (OOPS ) counter weight!!! I have'nt found hardly anything out bout my "new" Iseki 3201 tractor yet but when i've read all the archives back to 99 i guess i'll goto the iseki forum /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanx for makin me a TBN'R GUYS YER ALL TRUE BLUE
GOD BLESS YA'LL no matter who that maybe
TODD ..polecat

 

[milkman]

welcome polecat
had my say, and will jump to another thread, when you put it all together and look at all the profiteering going on with the people on the hill all connected and raking it in, just gets my blood boiling.

 

[Tractors4u]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( And oh yeah..Mr.Peppper ..worked for tva in decatur as well as knowlogy cable down there and used to live on old monrovia rd so have been all over your backyard!!! and loved it !!!Loved the south and the waffle house cowboy coffee

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Come on back for a visit anytime!

This all breaks down to whether you don't like Bush or you don't like Kerry or if you are a Republican or Democrat. Personally I never thought we should have went to Kosovo, but I was supportive of the troops and the President at that time. If we weren't in Iraq people would find something else to complain about in regards to President Bush. As you are aware the President is under scrutiny for what his administration knew prior to 9-11. Had we gone into Afghanistan on 8-11 people would have been screaming. Had he shut down the airlines on 9-10 people would have complained about how many dollars were lost to Bush's wild goose chase had nothing been found. It is easy to play armchair president from the comfort of our keyboards but hard to understand why the President leaves office with a head of gray hair at the end of his term. With the exception of President Reagan of course. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[fivestring]

"As it is now, one man can take this nation to war."

Congressional approval is needed. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I believe the vast majority of Congress approved it. The vast majority of Congress also voted to spend the $$. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
If folks don't like it, this November they need to vote for a candidate that DID NOT vote for it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

That's the beauty of a democracy... vote your own way. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

One of the things that really gets me laughing is the amount of "intelligence" gathering since the first Gulf War.
Due to members of Congress voting "NO" on more funding for specialized units under Clinton's administration and Bush's administration, we were left with inadequate sources of info.
Again, If folks don't like it, this November they need to vote for a candidate that DID NOT vote against the extra funding. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I don't know who wrote the song, "Arab Bounce".
It's an instrumental. No words.
Like I said, it's my band's tribute to the troops.
We will play it until the troops come home.